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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:59 pm 
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Came across this article. One things I came across that was interesting:

"Glasberg explains that he and the writing staff designed this storyline to focus on what happens when women and children, who are traditionally seen as the first to be protected, are "not to be trusted." He wanted this arc to offer a unique opportunity for Gibbs 'to face an adversary who, at the end of the day, is the last person in the world he wants to be fighting, which is a child.'"

Still didn't care for the finale, but this does kind of give it some perspective on why they went in that direction.

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DO NOT WANT. This whole episode, from the beginning shot of Dorney's mom doing what she was doing to the ending shot of Luke doing what he did . . . did not sit well with me. I'm still seeing the "we're here to kill the bad guys before they kill us" theme. It annoys the everliving hell out of me.

I get that there's a sense that Gibbs' natural chauvinism needs to be short-circuited sometimes. I get that. But this was not the episode to do it. And that's a natural part of what makes Gibbs who he is. Rule 44. It just is. I agree that they did not give the rest of the team much time at all. It seemed very plastic. He seemed more like his role in "Certain Prey" than in NCIS. I think GG tried to shove too much parallax change into one episode. Okay, you want to say children aren't always trustworthy, good. Do that. Don't do that, emphasize he's near retirement, and have another untrustworthy woman as part of the core group. We've done that schtick enough.

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Besides, they've done the evil child thing a couple of times before. This isn't something new for NCIS, and of course, it was focused on Gibbs, too. They've certainly run the evil woman thing into the ground from season 1 on. Heck, Ducky showing interest in a woman was almost guaranteed to make her into a murderer. ;D

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Watched the episode tonight.

Worst NCIS finale. Ever.

Just change the name of the show to Special Agent Gibbs. Probably have the same or even higher ratings and then they wouldn't need to bother with such miniscule details like the fact that this is supposed to be a show about a team of agents solving crimes related to the Navy and Marines. Some team. And Mike Franks did have more screen time than than Tim, Tony and Ellie, Ducky and Palmer combined (I think?).

Honestly, Tim's little heartfelt moment over Dorney's death was the best part of the episode. Sean Murray nailed the facial expressions. The guy is a better actor than he's given credit for.

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I have read the recaps and reviews and I can't wait to see it.

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Heck, Ducky showing interest in a woman was almost guaranteed to make her into a murderer. ;D

Painfully true! Poor Ducky! :ththere: :rolleyes:

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Gibbs is not dead, like in "Split Decision" he has faked it will come back next season undercover and kill all the bad guys.

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Honestly, Tim's little heartfelt moment over Dorney's death was the best part of the episode. Sean Murray nailed the facial expressions. The guy is a better actor than he's given credit for.


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Agree with you all!

Also I had to chuckle at the "damn good agent" comment from Vance about Dorneget. I feel like they completely changed Dorneget as a character to suit the needs of this arc. Maybe this is why I don't feel emotionally moved by his death. I feel like they could have put anybody in that role to serve that purpose. Very cardboard-cutout-esque.

I have so many nitpicks.

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They do enjoy doing that, don't they? "Oops this character doesn't really fit what we want to do with the story. Never mind, let's entirely change everything about him and ignore our previous canon and it'll be fine." :rolleyes:

Though I'd bet a reasonable sum that the average NCIS viewer probably doesn't keep track obsessively like we all do and wouldn't notice when a character gets a personality/skill set/background change :confusion-shrug:

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They do enjoy doing that, don't they? "Oops this character doesn't really fit what we want to do with the story. Never mind, let's entirely change everything about him and ignore our previous canon and it'll be fine." :rolleyes:

Though I'd bet a reasonable sum that the average NCIS viewer probably doesn't keep track obsessively like we all do and wouldn't notice when a character gets a personality/skill set/background change :confusion-shrug:


Thank you! You've summed up what I was thinking but couldn't seem to find the words for.

If we could've watched Dorney's growth into an agent over the years and hell, even known he'd been put into Cyber Crimes, it wouldn't have been so bad, but just pulling him back out of nowhere the way they did...it was very nonsensical. Ridiculous.

Amazing what drivel we'll watch out of love for the actors who bring these characters to life.

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I can understand it not being easy with actor availability, but if they felt the need to give him a send off, they could've done with actually mentioning the character now and then.

And :lol2: your last sentence, TRUTH. NCIS isn't even the worst culprit in that regard!

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and did you notice the tummy and the blue briefs. :evillaugh:



Tummy? Blue briefs? What did I miss? Where was this?

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and did you notice the tummy and the blue briefs. :evillaugh:



Tummy? Blue briefs? What did I miss? Where was this?

when he got shot? on Tuesday there. OK going to find the piccie if it isn't copyright

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Amazing what drivel we'll watch out of love for the actors who bring these characters to life.
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and did you notice the tummy and the blue briefs. :evillaugh:



Tummy? Blue briefs? What did I miss? Where was this?

when he got shot? on Tuesday there. OK going to find the piccie if it isn't copyright


Haven't seen it yet. gonna do a big ol tv catch up session when I get back... assuming stuff got taped...

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Tummy? Blue briefs? What did I miss? Where was this?


Now I have been told MH has a body double but in my little world I would like to think it was the great man himself

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I confess I was too busy noticing where the bullet wounds were to see if they were life threatening to notice anything else.

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Looks like him. Anyway, I remember him getting shot in the lower leg and the stomach. Neither is necessarily fatal, but would be pretty painful.

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Stomach is pretty nasty depending what the bullet catches, I think?

A bullet anywhere can be fatal if it catches an artery, so no gunshot is ever safe, but at least they didn't go for the heart or head. Even if, heaven forbid, they decided to kill him, they'd be a hell of a lot easier to write around. And I do realise it's kind of tragic that I'm already looking for ways to fanfic my way out of that particular hole, but my favourite characters don't tend to be as longlived as Gibbs has been :P :rolleyes:

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Well, you can always do Lia's thing: They're dead, but OOOPS, NO, NOT REALLY! J/k Lia. We love you.

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I don't really think they'll kill him off, can you imagine the fan backlash? It'd make the backlash after Cote left seem like a spring breeze in comparison to the maelstrom Gibbs getting killed off would be. I cringe just thinking about it.

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To me it looked below the heart, above the stomach. Though i'm not really sure where the stomach starts, lol. A doctor I am not. ;D

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To me it looked below the heart, above the stomach. Though i'm not really sure where the stomach starts, lol. A doctor I am not. ;D


That's how it looked to me too. A shot in the gut is going to require surgery in any case and the leg wound, I have trouble believing he'd ever return to field work but we'll see, Gibbs being invincible and all that. LOL

On a serious note, I think it's setting up the show for changes so they can write in Gibbs' retirement, he may not leave the show entirely because so many of the fans want him to stay, but maybe he'll still be there in a different capacity. I'd be good with that. It'll be fun to speculate in any case.

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I hope they wouldn't consider making him director. a) I like Vance and wish they'd do more with his character. b) Gibbs has the exact wrong temperament (not good with politics) for being a director kind of person. Of course, if he ended up in a chair, he might be willing to make do... but I am feeling 13 will be the last Gibbs season, whether or not he makes it to the end of the season.

Of course, people do get shot in the abdomen and not harmed seriously. I know someone who was shot by police from about ten feet away and they seemed to have missed everything vital, though he bled a lot. (was the gardener at a friend's house. wasn't supposed to be sleeping in the shed, but he was. police were called because they heard noises and got scared.... fortunately, they didn't kill him. It didn't seem that long until he recovered. It was a terrifying night, probably in the end more for him than for us.

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Or he could just keep showing up as a ghost like Franks.

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As much as I like supernatural stuff, no. Just no. Ghost Franks is past his prime anyway. We don't need Ghost Gibbs.

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I thought it looked like the side of his chest below the heart, but I'm more worried about where his leg was hit. If they hit his knee that could jeopardize his career, which might be what they are going for next season in terms of a cliffhanger.

I found the child storyline depressing and I still think they should have used it in Feb or Nov sweeps (November would be good - add a good ep and Christmas ep to lighten things up after) but I think this was a good theme that was worth dealing with. And if they avoid screwing up the premiere, this might be my favorite cliffhanger finale/premiere combo since Kate died. (S1 and 11 weren't cliffhangers, I HATED Gibbs retiring, S4's finale was just stupid, S5 had a lame finale but good premiere, S6 felt like "Been there done that last year" although the resolution was fantastic, S7 was just gross and depressing, S8 felt really forced and like they'd done that throughout S4, S9 was a great finale other than Ducky but they screwed the conclusion up in September, and don't get me started on the whole Ziva's dad/Eli Bodner/Let's prosecute NCIS fiasco).

Definitely too much of Dorney's mom. I think Gibbs' reaction was about his Marine background - ANY loss working for his team makes them one of his people, therefore he is responsible. I missed the mark on the ghost tableau though - I thought because of the stuff about everyone going to the airport that it was about kind of a Flanders' Fields moment "Take up our quarrel with the foe" sort of thing. Incidentally, what happened to the guy who got shot last ep - did he make it or not?

The code in the music reminded me of the whole fuss over MTV when I was a kid "Don't listen to it - there's subliminal messaging."

And that girl Gibbs talked to was just CREEPY!

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I don't really think they'll kill him off, can you imagine the fan backlash? It'd make the backlash after Cote left seem like a spring breeze in comparison to the maelstrom Gibbs getting killed off would be. I cringe just thinking about it.

I think/hope you're right! (think/hope depending on how charitable I'm feeling towards Gary Glasberg at any given moment - I don't much trust his common sense or storytelling...)

I think making Gibbs director wouldn't be so much jumping the shark as leaping the killer whale or vaulting Moby Dick. I really hope they won't go that route! :shocked: I think that might actually be more beyond ridiculous than killing him, to be honest, much as I do not want them to kill Gibbs off!

If they have him retire or take a step back from fieldwork, I'd be okay with that - I think/hope it'll be either of those options. I could see 'retired!Gibbs' being a help/nuisance without Mark having to be the central figure, which may be starting to wear thin.

Of course, this is Gibbs, so there is a possibility he will be out of action for half an episode and then we will continue as usual :rofl:

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I know some of us just watch NCIS for Mark Harmon, aka Gibbs and in my own opinion if Mark/Gibbs walk then I'm afraid I don't think I could stomach DiNozzo and his interfering father for 24 episodes so, I will call it a day.

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Wow! I'm really surprised at all the DiNozzo hate. I've been reading around the 'net about NCIS in the wake of the finale and it's pretty widespread. I'm just amazed at the number of people who don't think Michael Weatherly can take a lead role on the show. I get that Tony isn't the most likable character network TV has ever known. Sometimes I don't even like him. There have been many episodes where I've sat there and said, "Tony, quit being such a prick!"

That said though, I think as a character, Tony has shown amazing growth over all 12 seasons. Having watched and read interviews with Michael Weatherly, he's impressed me as a human being and as an actor and I think he could take the show to new heights, Tony could have unprecedented growth as a character and with that happening, it would also give Sean Murray a chance to really shine. I think both Sean and Michael are grossly underrated as actors and I think Mark's popularity has had something to do with that. Not saying it's Mark's fault; he is the star of the show and naturally, much of the focus is on him, but I can't help but think that if Mark took a back seat and Gibbs became more of a background character, Michael and Sean would both grow as actors and characters and it'd be amazing. I can already imagine the great stories centered around them, separately and as a team.

As for DiNozzo, Sr. I don't think he'd have to have more of a role than he does now (and hopefully less) because I don't care much for him either. I'd be really surprised if they had Sr. in every episode with Tony as lead. Even Ralph Waite didn't so I can't imagine them changing that with Sr.

I think the scorn toward DiNozzo/Weatherly that I've seen across the web is pretty extreme and a little unjust. It may take a little time for Michael to grow into it and get used to being a lead actor and team lead in character, but heck, it took Mark some time when he started out too.

If they go that route, I would keep watching to see what Michael and Sean would do with more of the spotlight. As long as the writers don't cop out on the opportunity, I really think they would find their footing and run with it pretty quickly. Maybe it would also give Emily Wickersham a chance to develop a stronger character in Ellie since she's taking a backseat to all of them at this point. I just think there's a lot of potential there and that the show doesn't necessarily have to be all and end all with Mark Harmon.

I love Mark Harmon and would hate for him to leave the show entirely but I think he's too important to the team for him to be gone forever, but I do think the show needs some changes made to it and Gibbs retiring would be good. If he made regular or semi-regular appearances, even if for just a scene or two, it would ground the show in what made it popular but still allow them to get some new blood with a new team mate, give Michael and Sean a chance to shine and shake things up a little in a good way. I also believe Mark would still have his hand in things even if he's not starring in the show itself. Gibbs' presence is too important for it to ever be gone completely, I think. It's like a pebble being tossed in water that creates a ripple...it goes on forever. I just think Michael Weatherly should be given a chance just to see what he can do when he's not playing second fiddle.

I realize I may be alone in my opinion and that's fine but I'm hoping people will at least be open-minded about any changes the finale will bring about. Given some of the interviews I've read and the injuries Gibbs sustained, big changes are coming and I hope people will give those changes a chance, even if Mark does step back. I think a lot of it will depend on the writers though more than the actors so we'll just have to wait and see. Frankly, I'm more excited about season 13 than I was about seasons 10, 11 and 12 just because of the potential for change.

Just my 2 cents.

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:thud: :sigh: oh dear I seem to have messed up again, what I am trying to say is that I would hate Tony to take Gibbs Place, maybe in another setting. I just think of him before and I detested....and as much as I like Senior, I just hoped that the writers or GG just didn't go out the way and make a comedy duo......I love Tony when serious, but I just hope and pray they don't turn him into a monster, if you get my drift.

I didn't mean any harm and I wasn't bashing Tony......I just hope that the writers don't screw up.

That was all.

Oh dear Pheonix I want to answer all your sentences but it would take forever...I just don't like big headed Tony.

We know Harmon will go either eventually, either killing him off or just retiring him. Now I can abide Tony asking for help, just not in charge.

I am sorry if my post came across harsh it wasn't meant.

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Akaeve, relax. I wasn't singling you out per se. Your post just reminded me of all the stuff I've read around the internet. If you don't like him, you don't like him, heck, as I said, sometimes I don't like him. I think I get what you're saying and I agree, but I really don't think Tony would be like that. He can be arrogant, smug and a host of other adjectives I don't like in people but I think his good far outweighs his bad, so to speak. You didn't screw up anything. We're all entitled to our opinions. Your post just brought a lot of my subconscious thoughts to the conscious mind, that's all.

If they did turn him into a monster, I would absolutely stop watching but I can't see Michael Weatherly letting that happen. He's simply too playful overall both as a person and as Tony DiNozzo. And I am far more worried about the writers screwing up than I am about Michael Weatherly. I am 99.9% sure Michael could be great as a lead actor on a show. It's the writers I am putting on the chopping block and I have high expectations for them after season 12. They need to shape up or ship out.

Akaeve, I'm sorry if you thought I was smacking you down. I promise, I wasn't. :hug2col:

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Akaeve, relax. I wasn't singling you out per se. Your post just reminded me of all the stuff I've read around the internet. If you don't like him, you don't like him, heck, as I said, sometimes I don't like him. I think I get what you're saying and I agree, but I really don't think Tony would be like that. He can be arrogant, smug and a host of other adjectives I don't like in people but I think his good far outweighs his bad, so to speak. You didn't screw up anything. We're all entitled to our opinions. Your post just brought a lot of my subconscious thoughts to the conscious mind, that's all.

If they did turn him into a monster, I would absolutely stop watching but I can't see Michael Weatherly letting that happen. He's simply too playful overall both as a person and as Tony DiNozzo. And I am far more worried about the writers screwing up than I am about Michael Weatherly. I am 99.9% sure Michael could be great as a lead actor on a show. It's the writers I am putting on the chopping block and I have high expectations for them after season 12. They need to shape up or ship out.

Akaeve, I'm sorry if you thought I was smacking you down. I promise, I wasn't. :hug2col:

I think I kind of meant that it was DON@T let the writers or GG ruin a good man. and PS can we drop the big "A" I like little akaeve :hug2col:

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I think I kind of meant that it was DON@T let the writers or GG ruin a good man. and PS can we drop the big "A" I like little akaeve :hug2col:


Sorry what does DON@T mean? I've never seen that.

I will try to remember the little a for your name. Just used to proper grammar, always starting a sentence with a capital letter, always capitalizing names, that sort of thing. Didn't know that was your preference until now. Duly noted. :)

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As a person, I'm not sure I'd like Tony. As a character? He's pretty awesome ;D And I have a lot of time for Michael, too.

If they actually got Gibbs retired but kept him in the picture and did a good job of it (crucial!), it could really be great for the show. And I speak as a Gibbs fan who always wants MOAR GIBBS and MORE MARK. I think some kind of transition, if handled well, could give the show a new lease of life and it could last another decade, whereas reasonably, Mark's not really gonna be playing a team leader into his 70s. I mean, the guy's awesome, but that's a lot to ask! So at some point, they're either gonna have to figure out that transition or the show will be brought to an end before it just gets stupid. Or at least, those seem the two most likely scenarios I can think of...

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I think a lot of it will depend on the writers though more than the actors so we'll just have to wait and see.

This, so much this. I'm much less concerned about whether or not MW (and SM) can carry the show, and much more concerned about how the writers would handle such a transition.

Of course, like I say, it's also possible that Gibbs will miraculously recover and go on leading the team as usual, which honestly I might roll my eyes about, but I wouldn't mind having another season of Gibbs, soooooooo... ;D

Like I say, my biggest worry is that the writers will do something stupid and/or ridiculous with the Gibbs-being-shot scenario. Killing him off and/or handling a transition badly would be my worst case scenarios.

I hope this makes sense, I am tiyerd :shocked:

I don't know how I'd feel about post-Gibbs NCIS, but I wouldn't automatically dismiss it, especially if it's a retired!Gibbs scenario not a dead!Gibbs scenario. The latter, I don't know... I wouldn't be thrilled but I'd probably at least try to watch. They've killed off my favourite before in NCIS, and in other shows :confusion-shrug: it's not necessarily a dealbreaker...

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I vote Gibbs retire from NCIS & become Vance's new nanny. ;D


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I vote Gibbs retire from NCIS & become Vance's new nanny. ;D


When I read this, I laughed so hard I showered my monitor with the water I was drinking. I needed that laugh. Thanks!

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I vote Gibbs retire from NCIS & become Vance's new nanny. ;D

That totally sounds like the premise of a sitcom :lol2: new spinoff??!? :bwah:

Thirding the laughter ;D

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If it doesn't happen, I think I need to write that fic. I may write it just because. That would be fun. ;D

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You know, you really should :rofl: I am thinking, with your Vibbs obsession, we are talking sitcom/romcom here. And now I'm laughing again. DO IT :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'm still rooting for the Grumpy Ol' Men Feds spinoff, myself, but Gibbs-as-Nanny has definitely potential for hilarity ;D

ETA: I'm suddenly seeing the potential for a challenge here, y'know: NCIS stories written in the style of something totally unlike NCIS... NCIS sitcoms... NCIS romantic comedies... NCIS musicals...? hmmm...

I shall have a think, when I've had some sleep, since it's half eleven at night here :shocked:

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That's exactly what I was thinking, Sarah. Turn it into something Vibbs. It could be like that AU with the single dad hires hot babysitter thing, except I don't know if I'd call Gibbs a "hot babysitter." :lol2:

This is the sort of thing to expect from me, people, in case you hadn't figured it out already. ;D

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I might struggle to see Gibbs as a babysitter, but if you ask me, he's definitely hot, so you've got that covered ;D

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Gibbs is good with kids. I could see it.

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