NFA Community Forums

NCIS Fanfiction Addiction Forums
It is currently Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:00 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 103 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:16 am 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:51 pm
Posts: 2285
Name: Blue
link: Blue's Stories
link: Blue's AO3
sondheimmcgeek wrote:
Is she going to claim she's quitting NCIS? Because we know that isn't happening.


Please let her have a hissy and go away and c'wy on mommy's shoulder... and NEVER come back!

Yeah, divorce is horrible. Been there. But she's just so... insipid and her reaction to her husband's cheating is so insipid... if she runs off and ABANDONS her post? Irresponsible! She deserves to be fired, not coddled by 'nice daddy Gibbs'.

I cannot imagine Gibbs of 'Yankee White' doing that! And I liked that Gibbs! He made it abundantly clear that BS moves would not be tolerated on his team when he offered Kate a role on his team... And the fact Kate was a female didn't matter. But now he's gonna run all the way to Oklahoma to comfort Ellie who doesn't have the sense of adulthood to not abandon her team? I don't see it.

I'll be less mad if she's taken proper leave, but still, I don't see Gibbs running off to comfort her like a child. Now if she was in danger, she could count on him rescuing her... count on all of them... but not this...

Also, if she's taken proper leave, why not leave her to spend some time with family and get through things? That's the PROPER purpose of family... a great place to retreat in times of pain. Why would Gibbs need to insert himself into that? I *could* see all of them (the team) having a nice thanksgiving as a family (if she'd stayed in DC)... but the whole thing where Gibbs (a stranger and her boss) flies off to Oklahoma to rescue/comfort/coddle his probie? Nope, not seeing it.

Cannot imagine any boss I ever had running to another state after me if I decided to take off.

___________________________
Words in this post: 299

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:35 am 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:51 pm
Posts: 2285
Name: Blue
link: Blue's Stories
link: Blue's AO3
It takes two to ruin a marriage, but sorry, the person who cheats has a mouth... say 'If you don't deal with this, you're gonna drive me out of this marriage'. I've been in a celibate (not by choice) relationship and not cheated... and I can tell you it wasn't easy not to cheat... but cheating is a CHOICE and hold the CHEATER responsible for that choice.... even if they aren't being given what they need. If your partner isn't evil, but you can't get what you need, it's time to say 'the end' not to fuck with their head by screwing someone else.

Sorry, no sympathy for cheaters who cheat because they're 'not getting what they need'.

I blame them and ONLY them. Why? You can choose to LEAVE. You can address the issues in your relationship.

I DO have a great deal of sympathy for people who are in marriages that can't end ( have children, have a disabled spouse etc. and can't/won't leave) who have sex outside the marriage b/c they need comfort, because year after year of not being touched is horrible... but it is still the choice of the person who decides to do this... but I get it.

If you're young and unencumbered and your marriage doesn't work, you have 3 choices.

Fix it.
Flee it.
Put up with it.

You don't have ANY right to cheat 'because your spouse isn't meeting your needs'. Be an adult. Make a choice. The other spouse is innocent here, even if they're fundamentally 'inadequate' - particularly if you haven't tried to fix things. You owe it to your spouse to TRY to fix things if you're not happy. "stuff happens" as an excuse for cheating is the excuse of a child. Cheating only ''just happens" because you're undisciplined or entitled. It's always a CHOICE. You didn't just fall onto the other person's genitals. Sorry, not buying that!

If you have a spouse dying of something *for a long time*, or in a nursing home for years you don't want to abandon and you are fundamentally all alone and can't do anything about it? That's a VERY different situation. It's a choice then too... but it's an understandable one, and I have some sympathy there.

___________________________
Words in this post: 377

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:15 am 
Offline
Senior Field Agent
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:40 pm
Posts: 10893
Location: ORLANDO
PhoenixRising wrote:
I don't mind the soap opera-like drama too much really. Not like they haven't done it before - Jeanne and Tony were little more than a soap opera, the only difference being that her father was an arms dealer.

Yeah, but even that was part of a whole plot thing, the undercover thing, blah blah blah. So it fit with the purpose of the show, you know, investigations and crime and arms dealers and stuff.

This is just Ellie/Jake drama for the sake drama, and like you said, PR, maybe people will sympathize with the character, but I still find her and this plot incredibly pedestrian. I want to like her! But I can't get totally on board. :-/

And it's not because they've written about infidelity, it's about how they've written it.

___________________________
Words in this post: 141
_______________________
"He's thrown a kettle over a pub. What have you ever done?"
- Gareth Keenan

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:05 am 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:51 pm
Posts: 2285
Name: Blue
link: Blue's Stories
link: Blue's AO3
K9Lasko wrote:
And it's not because they've written about infidelity, it's about how they've written it.


Indeed. Everything they write about her is colorless. Even her reaction to her husband cheating. There's no one to cheer for. I can't even really hate him, though I am not real keen on cheaters... I just can't muster up anything more than boredom. Lately, I've been enjoying NCIS NO more than the original flavor. Never thought I'd say that. The characters are more engaging... Nothing's wrong with our original NCIS characters, but they're not getting the oxygen, Ellie is. I'd much rather watch Pride's 'kittens' at play.

___________________________
Words in this post: 103

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:31 pm 
Offline
Intel Analyst
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:50 pm
Posts: 3285
Location: East Tennessee, USA
Name: Shay
Gender: Female
link: Dreamwidth Journal
I don't judge people who cheat. Human beings are emotionally and mentally complex to the point of messy and I don't believe it's as simplistic as most arguments against cheating or arguments against the person someone cheated with. I think there's a lot more at play in the dynamic of a relationship where one or both parties have cheated and the dynamic of the relationship between the person who is cheating and the person they're cheating with.

Unless you can meld your psych into someone else's psych and know exactly what they've been through in their lives and what kind of circumstances emotionally and mentally that led the people to the circumstances that set up the dynamic of the relationships, how can anyone say what someone should or shouldn't do in any circumstances? I just don't think it's as black and white as people try to paint it out to be. If it was, cheating wouldn't happen as much as it does.

As far as Jake is concerned, even without the show writers giving us much insight into his character, I've seen enough that can allow me to sympathize with him and understand what may have set up the circumstances for him to cheat. Is it a pretty picture? No, but that brings us back to human psychs being complex to the point of messy. Not everyone's messy psych is going to set them up for cheating (at least I hope not) but everyone has done things they're not proud of, this is just one thing on that very long list and no one is better than anyone else based on whether they've cheated or not. No one is perfect.

Maybe Ellie and Jake will get past this. Maybe they won't. If they do, good for them. They're being adult enough to deal with their issues and maybe they'll come out stronger for it. If they have Ellie filing for divorce without talking to Jake at all and trying to see things from his point of view, that would qualify as not being an adult to me. She may not be talking to Jake right now, but I can understand that too. She's upset. She knows things haven't been good between them and she needs a little time and space to get her head on straight. It might be best for both of them that they have a time-out. Given how stressful the NCIS special agent job is, I can understand if she doesn't feel she can handle it right now on top of her upset over Jake. Being distracted by personal issues in the field can get someone killed and I think it's a good sign she recognizes that she shouldn't work right now. I can't fault her that.

___________________________
Words in this post: 460
_______________________
Creativity is a sort of divination.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:46 pm 
Offline
Director
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:51 am
Posts: 68930
Location: Usually in bed with Gibbs
Title: Gibbs' Gal forever
Name: Patsy
Aliases: pattywatty
Gender: Female
link: My Author Board
link: My Fanfic.net
Flag: Image
oh dear one of those deep ones...........

___________________________
Words in this post: 7
_______________________
Image]
ImageImageImage

sig by McMhuirich thank you


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:25 pm 
Offline
Intel Analyst
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:50 pm
Posts: 3285
Location: East Tennessee, USA
Name: Shay
Gender: Female
link: Dreamwidth Journal
I like it when episodes inspire 'deep' discussions. It's nice to have something to talk about that's not same ol' same ol' mundane life.

___________________________
Words in this post: 24
_______________________
Creativity is a sort of divination.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:06 pm 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:51 pm
Posts: 2285
Name: Blue
link: Blue's Stories
link: Blue's AO3
Yeah, I'm old fashioned about cheating. Unless there's serious extenuating circumstances where someone chooses to go outside the marriage because the marriage is not 'endable' (taking care of a spouse with Alzheimer's for example), I'd consider it a violation of trust.

A spouse who won't sleep with you, but who you can't leave because you (or they) have no other resources would also be justifiable grounds for sex outside the marriage (which would not constitute cheating IMO), because I think permanent (deliberate) denial of sex within a marriage VOIDS the marriage covenant because you're cheating someone of something they have a right to expect (not every time they want it, but as a natural course of the relationship)... Legally, they may remain married, but if one spouse consistently refuses to have sex with the other one, they've given up ALL moral rights to expect that spouse remain faithful.

No one has a right to force celibacy on another person permanently. No one has the right to cheat their spouse of sexual enjoyment for life.

Other than that....

Unless the couple has agreed *before the fact* that the marriage is in fact open (not something I'd do, but to each his/her own and I know people who have agreements with their spouses like this... that's not cheating.) Cheating is the one single thing that I would find 100% unforgivable, and NO excuse for it would make me amenable to 'talk'. If he lacks the self control to keep it in his pants until he can come home and sort problems out, or end it with me I'm well rid of him. I know what it's like to be tempted. I know what it's like to choose not to be drawn in. Fidelity is not an accident.

Understand this. I love sex. I see other men (and a handful of women too). I think they're very pretty. I'd love to sample the smorgasbord of beautiful men... but I don't. NOT because I wouldn't enjoy it. Not because marriage is perfect or easy. If he wants me, he can make that same choice. It's called commitment. If he doesn't want to make that same choice, don't marry a 'me'.

If you have issues in the marriage fix them or leave. Boredom or any other excuse for cheating like 'she doesn't understand me' is just that, an excuse.

If you cheat on me, you have said 'I don't give a fuck about you AND I am not trustworthy AND I'll put you at risk of a disease without telling you...'
Any ONE of those is unforgivable.

Sorry, before the age of AIDS and herpes, maybe, I'd have considered a second chance. Maybe. But now, that's a life-threatening choice. Any man who is having sex with me *and* someone else? Basically, putting me in bed with EVERYONE that person he's cheating with has had sex with without my consent or foreknowledge?

Nope, not gonna get a second chance to kill me.

Cheating would de facto be the end of the marriage, so there would be no discussion that could fix it because I could only be married to a man I trust and I would never trust a man who put his cock into another woman or man unless I was somehow unable or unwilling to sleep with him, neither of which thing is in evidence here.

If you let me continue trusting you... holding up my side of the agreement, while you are in violation of that agreement, you void that agreement. Trust is big for me. It's not actually the sex that's the issue.

It's trust.

If you prove yourself untrustworthy, then nothing else matters.

___________________________
Words in this post: 615

Last edited by DeepBlueJoy on Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:35 pm 
Offline
Forensics Specialist

Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:53 am
Posts: 1188
Name: Keri
I'm with DeepBlueJoy on the cheating department. I hate when spouses try to use the excuse "Well, I had no other choice." Uh, yeah, you did. There is divorce and there is also counselling. Or just plain talking.

I enjoyed the ep for the most part but I'm so bummed they did this to Ellie. A) Why do they have to do something to EVERYONE'S relationship and B) Of all people, why Ellie? She's like the little sister you don't want anything bad to happen to. It feels twice as bad doing something to her as it does to anyone else.

I don't blame her for taking some time out to go see her family. I think Jake deserves to be left hanging in the wind as to whether she'll be coming back. She did brief Gibbs on what her plans were, so she was responsible in that department.

As far as the case was concerned, I can't believe Gibbs slapped the guy. (But I love his involvement with a character with the same name as me!) I figured it was either the attorney or the rookie cop almost immediately. Actually, the actor who plays the killer reminds me of our new Prime Minister - partly looks but especially mannerisms and voice and since I couldn't remember what his name was I kept referring to him as Justin Trudeau, which got my mom and aunt laughing when I'd text them.

If they hadn't already done this a million times and if it hadn't been Ellie's marriage they broke up, I'd be okay with it. But I kind of get protective of her and Ducky. (Gibbs deserves a break too, but the angst content we get makes it hard to completely want them to leave him alone!)

___________________________
Words in this post: 296

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:11 am 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:47 am
Posts: 2574
Aliases: Fauxcynic (for my very first NCIS fic!)
link: My fanfic
CHEATING: no matter the view, it seems hard to deny that there's a world of difference if it's done in secret, on the sly, pretending the relationship is at least status quo and tolerable, versus done after at the very least an announcement by the "cheater" that the person finds the relationship to be irretrievably broken, and s/he considers their relationship bonds severed. Of course, as has been said, there are things to discuss and to try before sleeping around, etc, but just looking at what comes first, the unfaithfulness or the notice to the other person, strikes me as being huge.

It doesn't change the moral or legal ramifications, but it's the world of difference to the emotional. I try not to judge in most things but with the craven cowardice of cheating and maintaining the deception (often until caught) is about the lowest of the low short of physical abuse. I'm sure there can be extenuating circumstances for some, but with most adult, competent individuals, it's selfish and cowardly and reprehensible.

So, yeah, if Jake is hiding some secret by claiming an affair -- it better be a matter of the security of the damn universe because that's one hell of a "cover story." There just doesn't seem to be much likelihood that Jake isn't pond scum here. Either way, though, I'm with those who would be happy if Ellie just stays with mom out on the prairie. Her "cute" runs thin and lately, when she's been surly to Tim & Tony, she's taking on that "snarly female agent" persona. (Hey -- maybe it IS the desk!)

But even without liking Ellie much -- would it have hurt anything to have just ONE main character with an intact family relationship? :-/

___________________________
Words in this post: 301
_______________________
Mrs. Potter: I don't think you'd love me if I were poor.
Hammer: I might, but I'd keep my mouth shut.

Margaret Dumont, Groucho Marx, the Cocoanuts, 1929

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:30 am 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:51 pm
Posts: 2285
Name: Blue
link: Blue's Stories
link: Blue's AO3
Shywriter wrote:
Her "cute" runs thin and lately, when she's been surly to Tim & Tony, she's taking on that "snarly female agent" persona. (Hey -- maybe it IS the desk!)


Yes, it does run very thin. But she is not much of an actor and so she doesn't come across the footlights (or overcome the writing)

I have a theory that they only know how to write shrill women... or faceless women... All of Gibbs' wives have been shrill, unpleasant 'females', rather than being 3D women - rounded, fully realized characters. Other than Jackie who was kickass, but whose on air time was relatively brief (maybe too brief to ruin?), all the women except Abby have been somewhat shrill or hectoring... they've been stereotypical... Kate was the least this, but even in episode 1, she was sleeping with her coworker in a situation where that would definitely have been forbidden. Jenny was... overly ambitious and slept with Gibbs and she could be very shrill. Gibbs' girlfriends have scarcely been better... with the possible exception of Hollis Mann. (and I find myself wondering if the better actresses don't just LEAVE instead of allowing their characters to be utterly ruined...)

McGee's grandmother was strong, but also kind of unwise, kind of crazy... but all the family members have been problematic, so I'm not sure that was sexism or just 'needless family drama'.

Exception: Abby. Abby's character is inconsistently written, but I personally suspect that Pauley is such a great person, her personality overwhelms the writing most of the time. She's clearly bright and caring and it comes through even though the person they write is kind of ditzy, she's too smart to play it with 'full ditz' and so she just looks idiosyncratic and iconoclast. I also suspect she may have the power (being the longest running female character, and one of the indispensable(?) 'anchor characters') to fight some of the writer choices for her character.

I think that this was part of why people loved Ziva and Kate... both actresses took what were often poorly written parts with awful story lines and created great characters. Hell, you only have to compare the women of NCIS with the women of the NO and LA shows... As written the women of the other shows are much more 3 dimensional. The NO folks also don't have relationships, but the LA landscape is a bit more hopeful... Sam's married. (and his wife is utterly cool!) Densi is... whatever it is they are... and the nerdpair are... a great nerdpair. (and she, not he is the kickass!)

Shywriter wrote:
But even without liking Ellie much -- would it have hurt anything to have just ONE main character with an intact family relationship? :-/

This.

I agree with everything you wrote, but most especially this. Could we have ONE main character who really is a main character who is in a non tormented relationship or who isn't alone? Please!!!!

___________________________
Words in this post: 498

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:28 am 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:51 pm
Posts: 2285
Name: Blue
link: Blue's Stories
link: Blue's AO3
What really annoys me about the cheating Jake is that they've wasted another great actor... I hate the character he plays but the actor Jamie Bamber would have made a rock-em sock-em addition to the cast. Maybe they should have cast him as a team leader of his own team instead of making him the husband. Now, of course, they've ruined him unless it turns out he was lying and it was a matter of national security...

Just as they erred by killing off Jonathan La Paglia's character (Langer) and their chance to have a great and fun actor on the show...

It should be a rule... you should not cast a better, stronger actor as the spouse of another character... because then you may be forced to 'waste' him/her... and you lose him/her if you lose that cast member... I think part of why they're writing him out may be that giving him a decent role would mean he would outshine Bishop... This isn't true of either Zoe or Delilah... Delilah holds her own with McGee, which is as it should be, but she doesn't suck out the oxygen... I have no real sense of Zoe, so it's safe to say she doesn't suck the oxygen out of the room!

Jamie Bamber could easily suck all the oxygen out of the room. He's held his own against some really solid actors... Just pick any of those big scenes in BSG and you'll see what I mean... He can do the big moments and the quiet moments... I think they've played him down in order to keep him from overshadowing her... (or maybe they just don't know what to do with him) so now they're writing him out (or maybe he's quit!). I wish they'd cast him as Abby's love interest instead... and made him a three dimensional, quirky character... maybe another scientist or something... He would have been a cool addition to the show... An actor with much more potential than the woman who plays Bishop... He goes from sanctimonious twat to scary, to earth mother/father, dreamer... and a whole lot more in one series.

By the way... Jamie Bamber is English... did you know that?


his real accent:

___________________________
Words in this post: 372

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:31 am 
Offline
Medical Examiner
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:34 pm
Posts: 1770
Title: Mom, reader, writer, artist, poet. Tibbs Maven.
Name: Sara
Aliases: thecookiemomma, sunsaralyn
Gender: Female
link: AO3
link: My personal LJ
link: My DA (for FanArt and poetry)
Flag: Image
DeepBlueJoy wrote:
... unless it turns out he was lying and it was a matter of national security...



Gonna write the dissenting opinion here. I liked the episode. I have a hard time seeing that lawyer as anything other than Allison from Eureka -- which incidentally makes me think of a less sleazy M. Allison Hart -- but she does her job.

I like Ellie's character. I think her struggles with Jake are more about finding a place to fit in and figuring out how to switch roles around than actual incompatibility. I get the need to go to a safe place, especially during the holidays when your relationship gets messed up. (Maybe these are more projection than what's really there, since the first one is what I'm dealing with currently, and the second is something I did when things were falling apart around DH and I just before we married. I went to visit my sister for a month and tried to think things through. I needed the safety and the space to figure out what was going on. I was pretty much a zombie and in shock for a while. I could see that in her.)

Anyway. I liked the big brother vibe I got from Tony and Tim. I liked the McNozzo glances, several times through. I did like the feather thing, just because it was something we didn't know about Abby before, something that wasn't horribly life changing.

I think, as per the piece of Blue's post that I quoted, that Jake didn't cheat / isn't cheating. I think, or perhaps hope, that he is doing something pretty deep undercover -- perhaps finding the mole himself -- that he has to meet with this IA lady, try to figure out what's going on. I did not get a vibe from him that he was cheating. He admitted it so readily. "Yeah, I'm cheating." I felt THAT was the lie. Maybe he's that clueless and has that sharp of a conscience, but ... I dunno. I don't see that. I think it's more that something else is going on. We'll see, though.

___________________________
Words in this post: 354
_______________________
Image
Banner by me.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:01 pm 
Offline
Team Leader
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:11 pm
Posts: 17121
Title: Queen of Torture and Death
Name: Lia
Aliases: dnalia, DAn creature
Gender: Female
Flag: Image
thecookiemomma wrote:
I think, as per the piece of Blue's post that I quoted, that Jake didn't cheat / isn't cheating. I think, or perhaps hope, that he is doing something pretty deep undercover -- perhaps finding the mole himself -- that he has to meet with this IA lady, try to figure out what's going on. I did not get a vibe from him that he was cheating. He admitted it so readily. "Yeah, I'm cheating." I felt THAT was the lie. Maybe he's that clueless and has that sharp of a conscience, but ... I dunno. I don't see that. I think it's more that something else is going on. We'll see, though.


That was my impression as well.

Count me as another who likes Ellie, and I thought her reaction was reasonable. She's been feeling guilty over the strained relationship, and she was just dealt a pretty big blow. Wanting to go home to family is not an unexpected reaction.

___________________________
Words in this post: 161
_______________________
Image
Click on the banner for the story
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:36 pm 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:51 pm
Posts: 2285
Name: Blue
link: Blue's Stories
link: Blue's AO3
Oh, I think Ellie's reaction is entirely reasonable. 'Go home'/'go to family' is the right choice when you're hurt if your family is a safe place for you.

I'm not entirely convinced that Jake was lying. Frankly, it would be more interesting to me if he were and it turns out he hasn't cheated. But unless getting a divorce is needed for maintenance of his cover, he could simply have said 'I can't talk about it'. In other words, he has NO real reason to lie... she knows he works in a sensitive area and has secrets.

What I am ENTIRELY OVER is more 'bad relationship drama' in the main team. So, if Jake's cheating, I'm entirely uninterested in following that storyline. And if he isn't, they better show US the viewers that, even if they don't show it to Ellie right away, or I'm probably gonna skim a bunch of episodes or skip em entirely. I don't hate Ellie so much as having about as much interest in her as I have in a blank piece of copier paper. At least black paper has 'new paper' smell! If you want to make Ellie more interesting, give HER a personality, opinions, attitudes, a sense of humor and back story (preferably NOT toxic or sad).

I remember there was a character on the show Angel who'd been kidnapped and who was likeable enough... and we only came to adore her more when her perfectly normal parents found themselves in the middle of a patently abnormal supernatural situations and showed that they could rise to the moment... while remaining utterly normal. (Her mom turned out to be a school bus driver, who killed the big unkillable demon by stealing a Greyhound bus and running it over). So normal doesn't have to be boring. 'Ordinary' doesn't have to be dull. Not if you write it well.

Ellie's problems are twofold.

(One) the actor simply lacks what it takes to make you love her as 'normal as she is'. She has yet to demonstrate a personality. You only have to look as far as Dorneget and Autopsy Gremlin to see that 'ordinary' and 'normal' aren't boring... Neither of them had a horrendous backstory or a lot of big drama (yeah, being gay isn't that big a deal to me). But Dorneget did and Autopsy Gremlin does 'Come across the footlights' as they say in the theatre. They are memorable.

(Two) they haven't given her enough quirks to make her interesting. Abby got quirks... she has her high heel boots and her coffin and her style (even though we hear nothing about the coffin these days)... And she's sweet (probably Pauley's personality bubbling over)... You do not have to do 'family drama' (McGee, Gibbs, Ziva and Dinozzo) 'relationship drama' (McGee, Gibbs, Ziva, Dinozzo, Vance and Shepherd) to make a character three dimensional.

Misery *can* be dramatic. Misery isn't automatically interesting, however; and it has gotten to be beyond tiresome in a show which has had extra pain and loss pretty much from the get go. What is interesting is NOT having bad stuff happen, but HOW IT CHANGES things and people.

This is beginning to feel like an emotional 'slasher' movie.

The show would have been better served by them killing off Ellie and making Dorneget a permanent member of the team instead. And if we wanted to make the show more ethnically diverse, (to make up for 'losing' the female on the team if that was entirely necessary) we could have given any one of the folks a partner of color... ANY color.

Any of the females from the other NCIS shows would have made a better choice... by a country mile than Ellie.

___________________________
Words in this post: 620

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:05 pm 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:51 pm
Posts: 2285
Name: Blue
link: Blue's Stories
link: Blue's AO3
What I mean is you can describe each of the characters...

Gibbs is taciturn, strong, patriotic, determined, stubborn and loyal. He's self-contained to the point of an art, but he's also deeply feeling and kind to those in trouble. He's the guy I want having my back in a fight.

Ducky is smart, has an encyclopedic knowledge of all sorts of things, is kind, insightful, a little bit fussy and a little big old fashioned (but still open-minded), kind of mysterious... he's the kind of 'little old man' you'd want on the desert island b/c he's resourceful and never boring. Underestimate him at your peril.

Ziva... well, apart from being able to kill you with her thoughts, she's loyal but ruthless enough to take out her own brother if he changes sides. She's the one I want taking point.

McGee is creative, uber-smart, determined to overcome his natural 'bookishness' so he can be a 'real' agent, and he's also cunning and yet he's a totally nice guy, but he's not a pushover. What he can't do with 'raw man power', he does with his very big brain. He's the one who should plan the op.

Dinozzo is a wildcard. He's impulsive, smarter than people give him credit for, he's deeply broken and you want to know why, though he's capable of being seriously irritating (and he knows how to use that to make you underestimate him). He's honorable even though some of his behavior is that of a 12 year old spoiled child. He would die for his friends. He's a study in contrasting qualities. He's the one who'll pull success out of failure because no one knows just what he'll do.

Abby is an iconoclast a total non conformer, but she's so honorable it's almost scary. She's decent and so kind to the point of it being almost a fault. She's relentless. She never gives up and she will always find a way through, no matter what. She may be terrified, but that will never stop her. Don't try to outsmart her. She wants to see the best in people, but she'll always look for the truth. She sees stuff no one else sees. It's part of why she and Gibbs can't help but be close. She's the one who's gonna keep trying after all hope is lost.

I could describe EVERY other cast member. I could draw you a picture...

But I can't really describe Ellie... she's... nice. She's smart. She's good at her job. I don't know what she likes. I don't know how she thinks. I don't know if she's loyal. I don't know if she's ruthless. I don't know much about what she's capable of... or even how she feels about the more difficult aspects of the job she's doing. The most interesting thing about her was that she was great on her laptop... but she's not like our other geeks... She's also not 'girly' (like the girl in legally blonde). She's not 'one of the guys' (Borin) or 'one of the boys' (Ziva - who might well have been 'one of the men').

I can more tell you what she isn't than what she is...

___________________________
Words in this post: 531

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:06 pm 
Offline
Director
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:51 am
Posts: 68930
Location: Usually in bed with Gibbs
Title: Gibbs' Gal forever
Name: Patsy
Aliases: pattywatty
Gender: Female
link: My Author Board
link: My Fanfic.net
Flag: Image
from what I have read one thing bothers me , why Ellie never took his name....................that seems to be odd, but there you go that is just me, and another thing I suppose, he is a youngish man who has "male needs" :rofl: so if Ellie or wife not there he will turn to someone else...........but before anyone jumps down my throat that is my opinion and only mine.

___________________________
Words in this post: 81
_______________________
Image]
ImageImageImage

sig by McMhuirich thank you


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:10 pm 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:51 pm
Posts: 2285
Name: Blue
link: Blue's Stories
link: Blue's AO3
I was actually over wanting Ellie to leave until this storyline came along.

She did nothing for me, but she did nothing 'to' me either.

Then this.

More. Unnecessary. Drama.

MUD.

___________________________
Words in this post: 31

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:29 pm 
Offline
Director
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:51 am
Posts: 68930
Location: Usually in bed with Gibbs
Title: Gibbs' Gal forever
Name: Patsy
Aliases: pattywatty
Gender: Female
link: My Author Board
link: My Fanfic.net
Flag: Image
:rofl: MUD love it

___________________________
Words in this post: 16
_______________________
Image]
ImageImageImage

sig by McMhuirich thank you


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:03 pm 
Offline
Senior Field Agent
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:40 pm
Posts: 10893
Location: ORLANDO
thecookiemomma wrote:
I think, or perhaps hope, that he is doing something pretty deep undercover -- perhaps finding the mole himself -- that he has to meet with this IA lady, try to figure out what's going on. I did not get a vibe from him that he was cheating. He admitted it so readily. "Yeah, I'm cheating." I felt THAT was the lie. Maybe he's that clueless and has that sharp of a conscience, but ... I dunno. I don't see that. I think it's more that something else is going on. We'll see, though.

I've given this scenario some thought over the past couple days. There might be something to this deep cover thing. Maybe he was never "just a lawyer." He's a... supah spy!

Dun dun DUN.

___________________________
Words in this post: 128
_______________________
"He's thrown a kettle over a pub. What have you ever done?"
- Gareth Keenan

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:08 pm 
Offline
Intel Analyst
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:50 pm
Posts: 3285
Location: East Tennessee, USA
Name: Shay
Gender: Female
link: Dreamwidth Journal
K9Lasko wrote:
I've given this scenario some thought over the past couple days. There might be something to this deep cover thing. Maybe he was never "just a lawyer." He's a... supah spy!

Dun dun DUN.


If this turns out to be true, I will be both relieved and super-upset at the same time. Relieved because he didn't cheat and super-upset for letting Ellie believe he did. That's kind of almost worse in some ways.

___________________________
Words in this post: 73
_______________________
Creativity is a sort of divination.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:33 pm 
Offline
Senior Field Agent
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:40 pm
Posts: 10893
Location: ORLANDO
PhoenixRising wrote:
K9Lasko wrote:
I've given this scenario some thought over the past couple days. There might be something to this deep cover thing. Maybe he was never "just a lawyer." He's a... supah spy!

Dun dun DUN.


If this turns out to be true, I will be both relieved and super-upset at the same time. Relieved because he didn't cheat and super-upset for letting Ellie believe he did. That's kind of almost worse in some ways.

Yes. And I was thinking along the same lines. What kind of a person can knowingly put their significant other through that kind of mental turmoil? Maybe she's tough enough to "take it," but still. Not exactly something you want for someone you care about.

Maybe he is in trouble, and by driving her away from him, he's keeping her safe?

Hm.

As much I don't want to waste more time on a Jake/Ellie storyline... This could get more interesting (if they want it to.)

___________________________
Words in this post: 158
_______________________
"He's thrown a kettle over a pub. What have you ever done?"
- Gareth Keenan

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:43 pm 
Offline
Intel Analyst
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:50 pm
Posts: 3285
Location: East Tennessee, USA
Name: Shay
Gender: Female
link: Dreamwidth Journal
If we have to have Ellie on the show, I hope they make it more interesting than an ordinary soap opera about infidelity and there is more to it like he's in trouble and is pushing her away to keep her safe. It is a horrible thing to put her through but at the same time, soap opera with a twist is no bad thing if it's done well. If they can pull off 'done well' I'll go along for the ride.

On the other hand, I really did like Tim and Tony being all 'big brother.' Tony looked like he wanted to deck Jake and I thought it was kind of adorable in a brotherly way.

I bet all the Tim/Ellie 'shippers are thrilled now though.

___________________________
Words in this post: 127
_______________________
Creativity is a sort of divination.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:50 pm 
Offline
Senior Field Agent
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:40 pm
Posts: 10893
Location: ORLANDO
PhoenixRising wrote:
On the other hand, I really did like Tim and Tony being all 'big brother.' Tony looked like he wanted to deck Jake and I thought it was kind of adorable in a brotherly way.

Yeah, I thought that was cute, too. :nice:

___________________________
Words in this post: 51
_______________________
"He's thrown a kettle over a pub. What have you ever done?"
- Gareth Keenan

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:02 pm 
Offline
Medical Examiner
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:34 pm
Posts: 1770
Title: Mom, reader, writer, artist, poet. Tibbs Maven.
Name: Sara
Aliases: thecookiemomma, sunsaralyn
Gender: Female
link: AO3
link: My personal LJ
link: My DA (for FanArt and poetry)
Flag: Image
K9Lasko wrote:
PhoenixRising wrote:
K9Lasko wrote:
I've given this scenario some thought over the past couple days. There might be something to this deep cover thing. Maybe he was never "just a lawyer." He's a... supah spy!

Dun dun DUN.


If this turns out to be true, I will be both relieved and super-upset at the same time. Relieved because he didn't cheat and super-upset for letting Ellie believe he did. That's kind of almost worse in some ways.

Yes. And I was thinking along the same lines. What kind of a person can knowingly put their significant other through that kind of mental turmoil? Maybe she's tough enough to "take it," but still. Not exactly something you want for someone you care about.

Maybe he is in trouble, and by driving her away from him, he's keeping her safe?

Hm.

As much I don't want to waste more time on a Jake/Ellie storyline... This could get more interesting (if they want it to.)

That would definitely set up the "Get your head outta your..." from Gibbs. Because that was more, "I'm not sure that was the wisest way of doing that," as opposed to, "I'm gonna deck you for having hurt Ellie." Which he would probably do if he thought the man were cheating on her. I dunno.

___________________________
Words in this post: 213
_______________________
Image
Banner by me.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:05 pm 
Offline
Intel Analyst
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:50 pm
Posts: 3285
Location: East Tennessee, USA
Name: Shay
Gender: Female
link: Dreamwidth Journal
I've been trying to think what kind of trouble he could be into that would make telling her he's cheating on her the least bit realistic and more importantly, necessary. I mean, that's a really horribly way to mess with someone's mind.

___________________________
Words in this post: 42
_______________________
Creativity is a sort of divination.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:23 pm 
Offline
Team Leader
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:11 pm
Posts: 17121
Title: Queen of Torture and Death
Name: Lia
Aliases: dnalia, DAn creature
Gender: Female
Flag: Image
DeepBlueJoy wrote:
I could describe EVERY other cast member. I could draw you a picture...
But I can't really describe Ellie...


She's respectful but also has enough backbone to question and not follow blindly (evident from some of her interactions with Gibbs). She's not overconfident and often does question her abilities but she's dedicated to improving herself and finding the answers. She's mature enough to let most of the hazing roll off of her back, but also enough of a team player to go along with it at times(her announcement to the squadroom is a good example of that). She's not an ass-kicker but she's tenacious (her battle with the bad guy in the undercover ep). She's not focused on standing out in a crowd (or grandstanding). She has some quirks but they're not a major aspect of her personality. She's NORMAL. I don't think that makes her boring.

___________________________
Words in this post: 149
_______________________
Image
Click on the banner for the story
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:27 pm 
Offline
Medical Examiner
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:34 pm
Posts: 1770
Title: Mom, reader, writer, artist, poet. Tibbs Maven.
Name: Sara
Aliases: thecookiemomma, sunsaralyn
Gender: Female
link: AO3
link: My personal LJ
link: My DA (for FanArt and poetry)
Flag: Image
DNAchemLia wrote:
DeepBlueJoy wrote:
I could describe EVERY other cast member. I could draw you a picture...
But I can't really describe Ellie...


She's respectful but also has enough backbone to question and not follow blindly (evident from some of her interactions with Gibbs). She's not overconfident and often does question her abilities but she's dedicated to improving herself and finding the answers. She's mature enough to let most of the hazing roll off of her back, but also enough of a team player to go along with it at times(her announcement to the squadroom is a good example of that). She's not an ass-kicker but she's tenacious (her battle with the bad guy in the undercover ep). She's not focused on standing out in a crowd (or grandstanding). She has some quirks but they're not a major aspect of her personality. She's NORMAL. I don't think that makes her boring.


THIS. Also, she has a unique way of associating thoughts, which is very like Tony in some ways, but she even is different from him. She's electronically aware, though not focused on "hacking", so she's kind of like Tim. She's a nice fit for the team.

___________________________
Words in this post: 195
_______________________
Image
Banner by me.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:44 pm 
Offline
Senior Field Agent
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:40 pm
Posts: 10893
Location: ORLANDO
What's normal?

___________________________
Words in this post: 2
_______________________
"He's thrown a kettle over a pub. What have you ever done?"
- Gareth Keenan

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:02 pm 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:47 am
Posts: 2574
Aliases: Fauxcynic (for my very first NCIS fic!)
link: My fanfic
K9Lasko wrote:
thecookiemomma wrote:
I think, or perhaps hope, that he is doing something pretty deep undercover -- perhaps finding the mole himself -- that he has to meet with this IA lady, try to figure out what's going on. I did not get a vibe from him that he was cheating. He admitted it so readily. "Yeah, I'm cheating." I felt THAT was the lie. Maybe he's that clueless and has that sharp of a conscience, but ... I dunno. I don't see that. I think it's more that something else is going on. We'll see, though.

I've given this scenario some thought over the past couple days. There might be something to this deep cover thing. Maybe he was never "just a lawyer." He's a... supah spy!

Dun dun DUN.

Sometimes a lawyer is just a lawyer. In fact, most of the time, a lawyer is just a lawyer.

Not that I don't want Ellie to have a way out of this mess, but ... really???? She does to NCIS & he suddenly becomes James Bond? That may be a new level of WTFedness...

___________________________
Words in this post: 182
_______________________
Mrs. Potter: I don't think you'd love me if I were poor.
Hammer: I might, but I'd keep my mouth shut.

Margaret Dumont, Groucho Marx, the Cocoanuts, 1929

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:50 pm 
Offline
Team Leader
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:11 pm
Posts: 17121
Title: Queen of Torture and Death
Name: Lia
Aliases: dnalia, DAn creature
Gender: Female
Flag: Image
K9Lasko wrote:
What's normal?


No 'tragic past', no hidden agendas, no pathological 'quirkyness'.

___________________________
Words in this post: 11
_______________________
Image
Click on the banner for the story
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:53 pm 
Offline
Forensics Specialist

Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:53 am
Posts: 1188
Name: Keri
She does have a couple of quirks. Her food association and her thing for sitting on the floor (I hate that they changed that.)

I find Ellie very likeable and also very easy for a regular person to relate to. She's not extraordinarily gifted with computers or a known flirt or this enigma or a woman who could kill you with a paperclip. She's what the average person would be like doing this job and so we can kind of live vicariously through her.

And I have to differ with calling Palmer normal. Maybe in terms of his backstory, but personality-wise he has always been a bit of a dork and in the early days not a particularly bright one. Endearing, sometimes but not bright. Three examples that come to mind are Weak Link, Split Decision, and of course the "White meat or dark?" on Head Case.

___________________________
Words in this post: 147

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:11 pm 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:51 pm
Posts: 2285
Name: Blue
link: Blue's Stories
link: Blue's AO3
K-Gibbs wrote:
She does have a couple of quirks. Her food association and her thing for sitting on the floor (I hate that they changed that.)

I find Ellie very likeable and also very easy for a regular person to relate to. She's not extraordinarily gifted with computers or a known flirt or this enigma or a woman who could kill you with a paperclip. She's what the average person would be like doing this job and so we can kind of live vicariously through her.

And I have to differ with calling Palmer normal. Maybe in terms of his backstory, but personality-wise he has always been a bit of a dork and in the early days not a particularly bright one. Endearing, sometimes but not bright. Three examples that come to mind are Weak Link, Split Decision, and of course the "White meat or dark?" on Head Case.


When I called Palmer normal, I meant that he's got no big tragic back history. He may be a dork, but he's a memorable and likeable dork. Ellie's not dis-likeable. She's just a nonentity. If she were my coworker, I'd have trouble remembering her name. She's entirely inoffensive. I don't hate her... I just couldn't care less about her life issues.

___________________________
Words in this post: 208

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:09 am 
Offline
MTAC Technician
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 31, 2013 10:29 pm
Posts: 4532
Location: Lou-ah-vull
Name: Brian
Gender: Male
link: Fan Fiction dot net profile
link: Archive of Our Own
Hi. Figure I'd check in, let you folks know I'm still alive 8-)

I'm enjoying season 13 of NCIS, and I enjoyed the Dinozzo episode of NCIS LA.

I'm still here at the rehab facility, waiting to get into an assisted living place. No timetable for me to return to work. I walk with a walker very well, and I'm on a recumbent bike an average of an hour to an hour and a half a day. I'm working on upper body stuff, and fine motor skill related stuff. My hands are not anywhere near what they were before the accident; I'm writing this mostly thru speech to text. I can type, but it's more like hunt and peck than anything else. I hope to get back to writing fanfic very soon, obviously writing will take longer now. Hope all of you are doing well

:ncis:

___________________________
Words in this post: 162
_______________________
Image

For my stories, please click on my author page.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:04 am 
Offline
Medical Examiner
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:34 pm
Posts: 1770
Title: Mom, reader, writer, artist, poet. Tibbs Maven.
Name: Sara
Aliases: thecookiemomma, sunsaralyn
Gender: Female
link: AO3
link: My personal LJ
link: My DA (for FanArt and poetry)
Flag: Image
Good to hear from you, Brian, thinking of you. *hugs*

___________________________
Words in this post: 10
_______________________
Image
Banner by me.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:57 am 
Offline
Team Leader
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:11 pm
Posts: 17121
Title: Queen of Torture and Death
Name: Lia
Aliases: dnalia, DAn creature
Gender: Female
Flag: Image
Good to see you around and hear that you're getting better!

___________________________
Words in this post: 11
_______________________
Image
Click on the banner for the story
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:47 am 
Offline
Team Leader

Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:46 pm
Posts: 18424
Location: UK
Title: Kibbs Addict
Name: Sarah
Aliases: sarahflute, sarah-flute, Floot, tiggrie, kassipoeg
Gender: Female
link: fanfiction.net
link: AO3
link: NFA storyboard
Good to see your name pop up, Brian, often think of you! Look after yourself and keep up the good work getting better :hug2col:

___________________________
Words in this post: 33
_______________________
Lie to NCIS (banner returning asap!)

"Sarah, I think your autocorrect is weirder than you are." (Xiexie, Xiexie! :lol2:)

GNU Terry Pratchett


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:49 am 
Offline
Intel Analyst
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:50 pm
Posts: 3285
Location: East Tennessee, USA
Name: Shay
Gender: Female
link: Dreamwidth Journal
Ditto what Sarah said. I think of you a lot and love to see you show up. Keep up the good work. Would love to see you writing again. :)

___________________________
Words in this post: 38
_______________________
Creativity is a sort of divination.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:27 am 
Offline
Senior Field Agent
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:40 pm
Posts: 10893
Location: ORLANDO
Ditto cubed. Great hearing from you!

:hug2col:

___________________________
Words in this post: 16
_______________________
"He's thrown a kettle over a pub. What have you ever done?"
- Gareth Keenan

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:34 am 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:51 pm
Posts: 2285
Name: Blue
link: Blue's Stories
link: Blue's AO3
Briwd wrote:
Hi. Figure I'd check in, let you folks know I'm still alive 8-)

I'm enjoying season 13 of NCIS, and I enjoyed the Dinozzo episode of NCIS LA.

I'm still here at the rehab facility, waiting to get into an assisted living place. No timetable for me to return to work. I walk with a walker very well, and I'm on a recumbent bike an average of an hour to an hour and a half a day. I'm working on upper body stuff, and fine motor skill related stuff. My hands are not anywhere near what they were before the accident; I'm writing this mostly thru speech to text. I can type, but it's more like hunt and peck than anything else. I hope to get back to writing fanfic very soon, obviously writing will take longer now. Hope all of you are doing well

:ncis:


So glad to see you!! Keep fighting the fight. I hope you will keep moving forward. Hugs and best wishes!

Blue

___________________________
Words in this post: 183

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:19 pm 
Offline
MTAC Technician
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 31, 2013 10:29 pm
Posts: 4532
Location: Lou-ah-vull
Name: Brian
Gender: Male
link: Fan Fiction dot net profile
link: Archive of Our Own
Thank you all for your kind words :ncis:

___________________________
Words in this post: 16
_______________________
Image

For my stories, please click on my author page.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:31 am 
Offline
Director
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:51 am
Posts: 68930
Location: Usually in bed with Gibbs
Title: Gibbs' Gal forever
Name: Patsy
Aliases: pattywatty
Gender: Female
link: My Author Board
link: My Fanfic.net
Flag: Image
Gibbs, Gibbs, Gibbs, (Patsy doing an Abby) but you do not :gibbssmack: slap a suspect or anyone that is so so uncalled for.

Apart from that an ok story line, nice to see Tony going back to Baltimore, maybe that is the arc and he goes back there for retirement? who knows.

Poor Ellie, but she has been away from home a bit working late etc. But Jake you just as Gibbs says == Get your head out of your ass, Jake.

___________________________
Words in this post: 90
_______________________
Image]
ImageImageImage

sig by McMhuirich thank you


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:53 am 
Offline
MTAC Technician
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:59 am
Posts: 4890
Location: In a bed between Tony and Tim.
Name: Tamara
Gender: Female
link: Facebook
The whole discussion about Ellie and Cheating aside, i find it just so frustrating that they can't have one normal, happy character.

If this is the start of a set up where Jake turns out to be some terrorist I am out.

___________________________
Words in this post: 42
_______________________
What made the human mind dark enough to kill?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:24 am 
Offline
Team Leader

Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:46 pm
Posts: 18424
Location: UK
Title: Kibbs Addict
Name: Sarah
Aliases: sarahflute, sarah-flute, Floot, tiggrie, kassipoeg
Gender: Female
link: fanfiction.net
link: AO3
link: NFA storyboard
I was thinking about this, and I wonder if Jamie Bamber wanted out for some reason? I mean, to be honest I'd still prefer him to be off screen and leave them in a happy but invisible relationship, but it doesn't seem like it makes sense to bring him on and then split them up without an actual reason. They might as well have just never introduced her husband in the first place.

___________________________
Words in this post: 73
_______________________
Lie to NCIS (banner returning asap!)

"Sarah, I think your autocorrect is weirder than you are." (Xiexie, Xiexie! :lol2:)

GNU Terry Pratchett


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:31 pm 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:51 pm
Posts: 2285
Name: Blue
link: Blue's Stories
link: Blue's AO3
Miss_Barbara wrote:
The whole discussion about Ellie and Cheating aside, i find it just so frustrating that they can't have one normal, happy character.

If this is the start of a set up where Jake turns out to be some terrorist I am out.

Not a terrorist, just a philanderer.

___________________________
Words in this post: 48

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:44 pm 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:51 pm
Posts: 2285
Name: Blue
link: Blue's Stories
link: Blue's AO3
flootzavut wrote:
I was thinking about this, and I wonder if Jamie Bamber wanted out for some reason? I mean, to be honest I'd still prefer him to be off screen and leave them in a happy but invisible relationship, but it doesn't seem like it makes sense to bring him on and then split them up without an actual reason. They might as well have just never introduced her husband in the first place.


I would not be surprised. He's a significant actor who's had starring roles. He's a strange choice for a bit part.

They made three errors when they cast him, in my opinion.

1) He's a better actor than the woman who plays Ellie and so he takes up more 'space' on screen. Therefore, they had to 'tone him down' and keep him as 'low key' as possible or he'd upstage her.

2) He was being underused by a lot. It's unusual to see a higher profile actor cast as the spouse of a less experienced actor.

3) He would likely want to do more significant roles.

You can't keep someone so top drawer in a bottom draw under the socks.

___________________________
Words in this post: 193

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:30 am 
Offline
MTAC Technician
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:59 am
Posts: 4890
Location: In a bed between Tony and Tim.
Name: Tamara
Gender: Female
link: Facebook
DeepBlueJoy wrote:
flootzavut wrote:
I was thinking about this, and I wonder if Jamie Bamber wanted out for some reason? I mean, to be honest I'd still prefer him to be off screen and leave them in a happy but invisible relationship, but it doesn't seem like it makes sense to bring him on and then split them up without an actual reason. They might as well have just never introduced her husband in the first place.


I would not be surprised. He's a significant actor who's had starring roles. He's a strange choice for a bit part.

They made three errors when they cast him, in my opinion.

1) He's a better actor than the woman who plays Ellie and so he takes up more 'space' on screen. Therefore, they had to 'tone him down' and keep him as 'low key' as possible or he'd upstage her.

2) He was being underused by a lot. It's unusual to see a higher profile actor cast as the spouse of a less experienced actor.

3) He would likely want to do more significant roles.

You can't keep someone so top drawer in a bottom draw under the socks.


Also: His glasses, they just seemed strange and out of place, but having googled him i understood why they gave him glasses. He was too good looking to play a nerdy role. (!?!?!)

___________________________
Words in this post: 226
_______________________
What made the human mind dark enough to kill?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:27 am 
Offline
Team Leader

Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:46 pm
Posts: 18424
Location: UK
Title: Kibbs Addict
Name: Sarah
Aliases: sarahflute, sarah-flute, Floot, tiggrie, kassipoeg
Gender: Female
link: fanfiction.net
link: AO3
link: NFA storyboard
DeepBlueJoy wrote:
flootzavut wrote:
I was thinking about this, and I wonder if Jamie Bamber wanted out for some reason? I mean, to be honest I'd still prefer him to be off screen and leave them in a happy but invisible relationship, but it doesn't seem like it makes sense to bring him on and then split them up without an actual reason. They might as well have just never introduced her husband in the first place.
I would not be surprised. He's a significant actor who's had starring roles. He's a strange choice for a bit part.

He has played smaller roles several times, but it did feel like an odd choice unless they were going to actually use him for something. I could see Bamber being interested in being part of such a popular franchise, but to make him a spouse/not actually involved in cases etc seemed quite weird.

Maybe he hoped it would become something more (which was what I wondered about when I saw they'd cast him), or maybe he just wanted to have a little visibility on a popular show? :confusion-shrug: Being in a handful of episodes and then have his character make an ignominious exit doesn't seem like a particularly great bit of visibility, though. Maybe he's just more hard up for roles than I imagine... and/or maybe then he got a better offer which was why he wanted to leave??

Either way, I wish they hadn't chosen to mess up the marriage :-/ would've been nicer to just have her happily married to an invisible husband :rolleyes: :rofl:

Quote:
...You can't keep someone so top drawer in a bottom draw under the socks.

:rofl: :lol2: :rofl:

___________________________
Words in this post: 346
_______________________
Lie to NCIS (banner returning asap!)

"Sarah, I think your autocorrect is weirder than you are." (Xiexie, Xiexie! :lol2:)

GNU Terry Pratchett


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:18 pm 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:51 pm
Posts: 2285
Name: Blue
link: Blue's Stories
link: Blue's AO3
Jamie Bamber could (like lots of other good actors who're not getting 'enough roles) play one shot or two shot characters where he was the 'bad guy' or some significant guest role. The spouse as given to him in this situation really isn't that. It's more the kind of role you give to a pretty but very low visibility actor so they can make something of themselves...

I suspect when they made him an NSA analyst they planned to use him like they use Fornell's actor (Joe Spano).

Except, (1) Bamber is probably wanting to establish himself more right now b/c his career is still in the ascendency. Joe Spano is established. He already played a series regular and done a lot of things (and he's a character actor kind of guy, which Bamber probably isn't)

2) This brings me to the fact that Bamber's just too 'sparkly' to be in the room without taking it over - particularly when he's playing against the actor who plays Ellie.

If you put Spano and Harmon in a room, it's magical, b/c they both inhabit their own skin and therefore their own characters and it's confident and it lights up the room.

If you put Bamber in a room with any of the primaries from BSG, you have the same effect - it's alive.

Put him in the room with his 'wife' and he's got to be circumspect, got to wait for her to step to each of her 'marks' and 'say her lines' - she's high school and he's world class. (this is why Ellie plays best with guest stars, btw)

But, with someone like Bamber, it simply CAN'T work. He can do subtle. He could do the relationship coming apart in a very small, effective way... b/c he's great when he whispers and when he shouts. She's monotone. Always... adequate.

Bamber actually has a better time when he's in the room with the other main cast... b/c they're all ready for prime time.

It's actually a good argument that it wasn't Bamber who was miscast, but his wife. If he's had someone he could play against, they could take the relationship in all sorts of places... Just as Diane played off against Gibbs, or Jeanne against Dinozzo... It's messy, but even when you don't like it, it feels real... even for the five minutes Dinozzo and Jeanne play the broken past and messy present, it sparkles... I don't like it, but it's very, very good.

___________________________
Words in this post: 415

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:03 pm 
Offline
Director's Secretary
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:47 am
Posts: 2574
Aliases: Fauxcynic (for my very first NCIS fic!)
link: My fanfic
DeepBlueJoy wrote:
2) This brings me to the fact that Bamber's just too 'sparkly' to be in the room without taking it over - particularly when he's playing against the actor who plays Ellie.

This explains, in a nutshell, what the heck was up with those ill-fitting glasses they gave him! :clap:

___________________________
Words in this post: 58
_______________________
Mrs. Potter: I don't think you'd love me if I were poor.
Hammer: I might, but I'd keep my mouth shut.

Margaret Dumont, Groucho Marx, the Cocoanuts, 1929

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 103 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group