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Another episode title.

Dr. Taft is back in this episode.

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DOCTOR TAFT EXPERIENCES THE RUSH OF AN NCIS CASE AFTER HE IS ASSIGNED SURGICAL DUTY ON GIBBS’ SUSPECT AND FINDS KEY EVIDENCE, ON “NCIS,” TUESDAY, FEB. 23
Jon Cryer Returns as Dr. Cyril Taft, Scottie Thompson Returns as Jeanne Benoit and Laura San Giacomo Guest Stars as Doctor Grace Confalone

“Loose Cannons” – Doctor Cyril Taft (Jon Cryer) experiences the rush of an NCIS case after he is assigned surgical duty to Gibb’s suspect and finds key evidence. Also, Dinozzo pays Jeanne Benoit (Scottie Thompson) a visit as he chases a lead involving doctors in Sudan, on NCIS, Tuesday, Feb. 23 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT), on the CBS Television Network. Laura San Giacomo Guest Stars as Dr. Grace Confalone.

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So Jeanne AND her hubby appear again. What are they planning, a duel between Tony & Dr. David for Jeanne's attention?? :gah:

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Another episode title.

Dr. Taft is back in this episode.


probably b/c Gibbs got shot again... or hurt somehow. in the episode before this one (next week's episode)

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So Jeanne AND her hubby appear again. What are they planning, a duel between Tony & Dr. David for Jeanne's attention?? :gah:


Maybe she's part of Dinozzo's exit? I'm betting on her or Ziva... and since there's no Cote in evidence, I'm thinking maybe Dinozzo's gonna go be in Africa with a grieving widow/gay divorcee.

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So Jeanne AND her hubby appear again. What are they planning, a duel between Tony & Dr. David for Jeanne's attention?? :gah:


I'm thinking maybe Dinozzo's gonna go be in Africa with a grieving widow/gay divorcee.

Nuh uh. That's a tagline for a whole new CBS drama. :rofl:

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I'm thinking they're test driving 'john Cryer' for when Ducky retires at the end of this season...

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Well, damn. :huh:

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Wow. I can safely say that I really, really enjoyed that episode.
Tony's encounter w/ Jeanne at the end... What does it mean? It was delightfully open-ended... Sort of. OMG. What?

This has confirmed the major suspicion I've had about Tony's mental wellbeing for the past year or so. Dude is in crisis, and nobody realizes how bad it actually is.

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Also... Dr Taft was wonderful in this one. He's really grown on me.

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Wow. I can safely say that I really, really enjoyed that episode.
Tony's encounter w/ Jeanne at the end... What does it mean? It was delightfully open-ended... Sort of. OMG. What?

This has confirmed the major suspicion I've had about Tony's mental wellbeing for the past year or so. Dude is in crisis, and nobody realizes how bad it actually is.

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Yup, he's unhappiness on feet.

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Also... Dr Taft was wonderful in this one. He's really grown on me.


I wouldn't be upset if he became a regular. Since they don't seem to want to bring on Fornell full time (something I'd love) they could bring him in. I get the feeling that if the show goes more than another year, that Ducky may 'retire' - after all, David's not a young man.

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Yeah, this episode was good. Taft is really growing on me, too. And that last scene with Jeanne and Tony was INTENSE. I liked it.

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Yeah, but ... ??

TWICE they bring back the Tadpole to tease us. I got the whole "the first one was a mis-direct" to lead us into thinking it was a dis-direct, then bring her back a 2d time so they could hook back up ... but a third? Or a double fake? What,are they going to come back with Ziva ex machina? And even if they did ... who would believe his intense tender teary-eyed scene with one lost love to do the same in a couple weeks with another? (and yeah yeah, GG said no more Ziva, but who listens to him anymore...)

I think, given Tony's fondness for movies (and I swear not at all influenced by today's weather -- -honest!!) that a tornado should hit DC, pick up Tony's condo, drop it on the Bad Witch, and let Tony rule Oz as the Wizard.

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Also... Dr Taft was wonderful in this one. He's really grown on me.


I wouldn't be upset if he became a regular. Since they don't seem to want to bring on Fornell full time (something I'd love) they could bring him in. I get the feeling that if the show goes more than another year, that Ducky may 'retire' - after all, David's not a young man.

As we discussed before, NCIS doesn't worry about reality -- but Taft as Ducky's replacement, as I think was suggested elsewhere? Bad idea -- he has absolutely no credentials, training, practice, or clue about being a forensic examiner. He could hang, though. 8-)

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And even if they did ... who would believe his intense tender teary-eyed scene with one lost love to do the same in a couple weeks with another? (and yeah yeah, GG said no more Ziva, but who listens to him anymore...)

Honestly, who knows if it's even about her, or if she's just somebody he thinks he ought to confide in, for whatever odd and strange reason.

At this point, it's like--OK buddy, she's going to get a restraining order against you soon. Jeanne does seem more than a little freaked out whenever they cross paths, understandably.

(BTW loved the moment when she said to him (paraphrasing here): "You lied to me again, you son of a bitch.")

And I admit, I was kinda getting concerned at how close he was to kissing her. I was like, but... she's married...? Then I went through this whole mental thing about whether or not Tony would actually do something like that, and my main thought was no, no he wouldn't -- but that doesn't necessarily factor in complete heat-of-the-moment type situations and, and, and.... Too many variables.

Loved all of it. Give me more angst.

LOL @ the Oz idea. Maybe he finally cracks up and that's where he ends up. Poor guy.

/And yeah, the case was good, too. ;) A few holes I still have to figure out.

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Also... Dr Taft was wonderful in this one. He's really grown on me.


I wouldn't be upset if he became a regular. Since they don't seem to want to bring on Fornell full time (something I'd love) they could bring him in. I get the feeling that if the show goes more than another year, that Ducky may 'retire' - after all, David's not a young man.

As we discussed before, NCIS doesn't worry about reality -- but Taft as Ducky's replacement, as I think was suggested elsewhere? Bad idea -- he has absolutely no credentials, training, practice, or clue about being a forensic examiner. He could hang, though. 8-)

He'll take a summer course. No biggie.
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And even if they did ... who would believe his intense tender teary-eyed scene with one lost love to do the same in a couple weeks with another? (and yeah yeah, GG said no more Ziva, but who listens to him anymore...)

Honestly, who knows if it's even about her, or if she's just somebody he thinks he ought to confide in, for whatever odd and strange reason.

At this point, it's like--OK buddy, she's going to get a restraining order against you soon. Jeanne does seem more than a little freaked out whenever they cross paths, understandably.

(BTW loved the moment when she said to him (paraphrasing here): "You lied to me again, you son of a bitch.")

And I admit, I was kinda getting concerned at how close he was to kissing her. I was like, but... she's married...? Then I went through this whole mental thing about whether or not Tony would actually do something like that, and my main thought was no, no he wouldn't -- but that doesn't necessarily factor in complete heat-of-the-moment type situations and, and, and.... Too many variables.

Loved all of it. Give me more angst.

LOL @ the Oz idea. Maybe he finally cracks up and that's where he ends up. Poor guy.

/And yeah, the case was good, too. ;) A few holes I still have to figure out.

I think I was liking the episode (which is saying something, since ever since the news I watch each moment with skepticism) until the end, and I flipped out of the story and into the mechanics -- as in, wanting to know just what they're playing at, here.

It makes it hard to just watch the plot, especially for those of us who like Tony/MW the best of the bunch. They've known MW was leaving for a good while now (since May, '14, when he signed his last contract, I think) and they know WE know. No amount of manipulating us is going to prevent MW from leaving. So why can't they just give us a straightforward, good arc leading him to a bit of happiness for Tony? Sure, that's still possible ... if GG and crew is even capable of just good ol' honest storytelling these days.
I will be DELIGHTED to admit I'm wrong if they pull it out; I sure hope I am. We'll see. :sigh:

(they did screw with my 2d chap/epilogue to my Tony-leaving story a bit, though... >:-( I knew I should have gotten that done last weekend... )

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Also... Dr Taft was wonderful in this one. He's really grown on me.


I wouldn't be upset if he became a regular. Since they don't seem to want to bring on Fornell full time (something I'd love) they could bring him in. I get the feeling that if the show goes more than another year, that Ducky may 'retire' - after all, David's not a young man.

As we discussed before, NCIS doesn't worry about reality -- but Taft as Ducky's replacement, as I think was suggested elsewhere? Bad idea -- he has absolutely no credentials, training, practice, or clue about being a forensic examiner. He could hang, though. 8-)

He'll take a summer course. No biggie.
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We don't know what he's done as a doctor in the military... We also don't know... he could be an MD PHD with a doctorate in pathology for some reason... they can retcon anything.

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True - the retcon is king. Off the top of my head, they did it to some extent with Abby's family (ish), Tony's family and Fornell's given name. I'm probably missing a few others!

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Oh, I know, RetCon Rules ... :sigh: But if in dealing with a scientific field with such specific specialties, they dropped in Taft as the ME, I would REALLY be ... just ... dunno. Irritated, probably. Aside from all the medical knowledge specific to the analysis and procedures, doing the autopsy and evidence collection in a way it wouldn't get tossed out of court, using medical testing & observation for forensic analysis just isn't going to be a rational crossover with cardiology, public health, dermatoloogy.... ANYthing. Okay, so if he was a PI or a cop in a former life, it would make a teeny bit more believable for me, even, but otherwise... No. No. Nonono. No.

Sure, make him Gibbs' new sidekick; hell, have Gills, Fornell and the doc be a new boy band. His day job can be as Dr. Palmer's assistant. If someone made Taft the new ME in fanfic we'd be :rolleyes: and yet these guys have writers who are supposed to do better (and maybe they do, but TPTB force them to be inane/insane?)

I just keep holding out hope that they will manage to write the right thing...

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Actually, Taft as Palmer's assistant could be really fun, now you say that... That would be an interesting dynamic, with Jimmy becoming the mentor to a(n older I am fairly sure?) man with loads of experience but who knows very little (if anything) about forensics. That could (I was going to say 'would', but that might be a little over optimistic...) be a really interesting scenario.

Jimmy definitely has the chops to do the job, we've seen that, but would probably find it tough doing the experienced/mentoring role, and would definitely reeeeally miss Ducky, and that would be compounded when the guy he was mentoring was older and had a lot of experience being a top dog in his field. And it would be interesting/weird for Taft to go from being the top dog to the underdog.

I sort of want that to happen now. If it doesn't happen on the show, someone should definitely write it!

And yeah, it's not an irrefutable rule, but the fanficers who actually care about what they write often do do a way better job making things credible than the paid writers.

(I'm just going to put this out there: if they decided to make the new ME Maura Isles, I would be totally okay with that :evillaugh: I know, I know, I'll go sit in my Kibbs corner and shurrup now :blush: ;D)

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Oh, I know, RetCon Rules ... :sigh: But if in dealing with a scientific field with such specific specialties, they dropped in Taft as the ME, I would REALLY be ... just ... dunno. Irritated, probably. Aside from all the medical knowledge specific to the analysis and procedures, doing the autopsy and evidence collection in a way it wouldn't get tossed out of court, using medical testing & observation for forensic analysis just isn't going to be a rational crossover with cardiology, public health, dermatoloogy.... ANYthing. Okay, so if he was a PI or a cop in a former life, it would make a teeny bit more believable for me, even, but otherwise... No. No. Nonono. No.

Sure, make him Gibbs' new sidekick; hell, have Gills, Fornell and the doc be a new boy band. His day job can be as Dr. Palmer's assistant. If someone made Taft the new ME in fanfic we'd be :rolleyes: and yet these guys have writers who are supposed to do better (and maybe they do, but TPTB force them to be inane/insane?)

I just keep holding out hope that they will manage to write the right thing...


Since when is Palmer a physician? I though he was a diener. Dieners often go on to med school or PA school (as did the original diener (Gerald) because they have a great exposure to gross anatomy from working in a morgue and I think you need a decent science background to become dieners - which also applies to med school/PA school or nursing school.

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Actually, Taft as Palmer's assistant could be really fun, now you say that... That would be an interesting dynamic, with Jimmy becoming the mentor to a(n older I am fairly sure?) man with loads of experience but who knows very little (if anything) about forensics. That could (I was going to say 'would', but that might be a little over optimistic...) be a really interesting scenario.

Jimmy definitely has the chops to do the job, we've seen that, but would probably find it tough doing the experienced/mentoring role, and would definitely reeeeally miss Ducky, and that would be compounded when the guy he was mentoring was older and had a lot of experience being a top dog in his field. And it would be interesting/weird for Taft to go from being the top dog to the underdog.

I sort of want that to happen now. If it doesn't happen on the show, someone should definitely write it!

And yeah, it's not an irrefutable rule, but the fanficers who actually care about what they write often do do a way better job making things credible than the paid writers.

(I'm just going to put this out there: if they decided to make the new ME Maura Isles, I would be totally okay with that :evillaugh: I know, I know, I'll go sit in my Kibbs corner and shurrup now :blush: ;D)


Of course, just as NCOs often break in new officers, there's nothing to say the diener might not be very helpful breaking in the new C.M.E.

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I don't know that Palmer is an MD, no - he was definitely studying at some point. Ducky did mention one time that one needn't be a doctor to become an ME, in reference to Abby. I haven't a clue if that is true in real life, but within the NCIS universe, it's established that one needn't have a medical degree for the job.

I don't know if it's ever been specified, but I'd say it's been strongly implied Palmer is on his way to becoming an actual ME.

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I think Ducky says you don't need a medical degree to be a coroner, which is true (and a bit different from being a medical examiner).

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While many small towns have elected or appointed coroners who are not physicians, I seriously doubt that a federal agency such as NCIS would hire a non-physician. I've never heard of any one called 'medical examiner' who wasn't a physician, usually a forensic pathologist. As the science advances, the skillset required will also increase. I suspect the old small town (often) undertaker coroner will go away. (Many of them could probably handle when the majority of the cases are natural causes or the situation is relatively straightforward)

It's rare, but physicians do change specialties. This usually requires additional post graduate training.

As for Palmer becoming a doctor... well, in the US, medical school requires a four year undergraduate degree with a year of each of the following: Chemistry, Organic Chemistry, Biology and Physics plus MCATs. Most physicians also have calculus though that's not a hard and fast requirement at all schools. Then you go to medical school for four years. Then you have post graduate medical training (Residency). Generally 4 years or more. (depending on specialty and whether you have a sub-specialty)

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Ah, I'd forgotten the coroner detail.

It is strongly implied that Jimmy is at school for at least part of the time he's been a cast member. I don't think he is an MD, because besides anything else, I'm certain Ducky would've made a big deal out of him becoming one/wouldn't still be calling him Mr Palmer, but I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that he might qualify at some stage, given Palmer being at school plus fictional 'verse wiggle room.

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They reran "16 Years" last night from earlier this season, and Ducky asked Jimmy to tell Gibbs how long the body had been dead, since he was at the time in a "night course" about ...what was it? Decay after death or something. And then Jimmy made a crack about his final project, a "decomposition composition." So as of now he's still a student, and since they had already established that he was in medical school, with that course mentioned, canon would still have him as a student.

Since we're being literal here about training, etc, it would be a rare matter (if at all?) that a medical school would provide "part-time" attendance or "night school" programs. They probably also have attendance requirements in their classes. For graduate professional programs like law school or medical school (as opposed to undergrad courses or grad programs within general universities' departments, not med/law schools), not only would there usually be a minimum number of class hour you must take each year or lose your status as a current student, but night courses and part-time programs are not common. No idea if there are "night school" medical degrees available, but a law degree from "night school" still has a pretty negative connotation, maybe because the top schools do not (at least traditionally) offer an opportunity to get a degree from attending only at night. Even back before there was as strong a push as there was in recent years for parents to prep their children from infancy for the best schools, the implication about night school was that the person couldn't get into a better school, and, therefore, isn't much of a lawyer.

A well-established program doesn't set about to make it easy or convenient for its students; it prides itself on having a "challenging"-to-rigorous program. So for Jimmy to be in medical school while holding down a full time job is a stretch of imagination. Still, his job could allow him some attendance flexibility, so it's not as crazy a stretch as other things are on the show.

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Yeah, I don't imagine many med schools offer part time degrees, but based on the fictional flights of fancy we've seen previously, I don't think it's a particular stretch.

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Yeah, I don't imagine many med schools offer part time degrees, but based on the fictional flights of fancy we've seen previously, I don't think it's a particular stretch.

:-/ :yes: :P

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They reran "16 Years" last night from earlier this season, and Ducky asked Jimmy to tell Gibbs how long the body had been dead, since he was at the time in a "night course" about ...what was it? Decay after death or something. And then Jimmy made a crack about his final project, a "decomposition composition." So as of now he's still a student, and since they had already established that he was in medical school, with that course mentioned, canon would still have him as a student.

Since we're being literal here about training, etc, it would be a rare matter (if at all?) that a medical school would provide "part-time" attendance or "night school" programs. They probably also have attendance requirements in their classes. For graduate professional programs like law school or medical school (as opposed to undergrad courses or grad programs within general universities' departments, not med/law schools), not only would there usually be a minimum number of class hour you must take each year or lose your status as a current student, but night courses and part-time programs are not common. No idea if there are "night school" medical degrees available, but a law degree from "night school" still has a pretty negative connotation, maybe because the top schools do not (at least traditionally) offer an opportunity to get a degree from attending only at night. Even back before there was as strong a push as there was in recent years for parents to prep their children from infancy for the best schools, the implication about night school was that the person couldn't get into a better school, and, therefore, isn't much of a lawyer.

A well-established program doesn't set about to make it easy or convenient for its students; it prides itself on having a "challenging"-to-rigorous program. So for Jimmy to be in medical school while holding down a full time job is a stretch of imagination. Still, his job could allow him some attendance flexibility, so it's not as crazy a stretch as other things are on the show.


medical school is a process more than a series of courses and it's like drinking water from a fire hose. It would be difficult to hold down a full time job, particularly in the first two years of medical school. Not so sure about rotations b/c the structure is different. And one can't just take pathology as the only rotation, as far as I know. For one thing, part of being a good pathologist is being a decent generalist with some knowledge of other specialty areas...

(I was premed at one point)

Now, if he was a medical resident with Ducky, that would make sense... How long has he been a 'main' character appearing in every episode?

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Before i knew that Jeanne was married i would have been al for a happy ending with her for Tony. I think that they are just going to use her to give Tony another kick when he is already down. Not so many more episodes untill the finale, i really hope that they give him a good ending.

I love the Gibbs/Craft relationship, i think it is good for Gibbs that there is someone that is not working related that doesn't allow Gibbs too push them away.

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Ah, I'd forgotten the coroner detail.

It is strongly implied that Jimmy is at school for at least part of the time he's been a cast member. I don't think he is an MD, because besides anything else, I'm certain Ducky would've made a big deal out of him becoming one/wouldn't still be calling him Mr Palmer, but I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that he might qualify at some stage, given Palmer being at school plus fictional 'verse wiggle room.


One way they could 'hand wave it' would be to advance the show by several years between seasons...

All this would take to cue everyone in would be a short conversation at the beginning of the fall episode that goes something like this.

"I can't believe it's been four years since Dinozzo left to join _____ in ____."

"I still can't believe he's got a 3 year old kid!"

"You know it! But, he's really grown into the daddy role!"

"Yeah, you should see the pictures he sent me."

"Yeah, he sent them to me too! Did he tell you that ___ was pregnant with number two?"

"The world isn't ready for another little Dinozzo!"



This would allow for all the characters to become closer to the actor's real ages, which they are beginning to look like. (Ducky, Gibbs and Abby in particular) Their characters are younger (in Gibbs case nearly a decade younger, I think.)

Ducky looks like someone close to retirement. I don't know any 80 year olds working in high pressure jobs like his. Making his character four years older would make him someone who was due to retire in a year or two and Jimmy could believably be done with med school and be at home with actually taking the lead in autopsy.

Advancing the series 4 years would also allow for 'things to have happened' in two or four years... (Vance remarried, Gibbs through therapy, and happily looking around for a new love)

Jimmy could be in residency with Ducky... and Ducky getting near to retirement... It is probably unusual to hire someone straight out of residency, but all his years at NCIS could be a justification, especially if he works with Ducky 'til the end.

One Tree Hill did this to great positive effect, and it allowed them to keep their child actor b/c suddenly he looked like the four years older he really was (growth spurt) than the little kid he'd been playing... and it allowed us to skip everyone else's college years... but for us the audience, it was just a summer. Then the series end skipped forward to the next generation and showed 'full circle' with the former teens playing people with teen children... which was nice since the actors were now around 30 or older.

I am pretty sure Bones skipped forward a year while Bones and Booth were off doing other things...

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