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"Reunion" - The team discovers the bizarre death of a Marine and his two friends may be linked to their past, but its Gibbs who, yet again, ends up taking a trip down memory lane, on NCIS, Tuesday, Sept. 29 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

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Okay, I'll predict a fast cool-down of Gibbs-centricism after the first few episodes. It's already been stated that the repercussions will affect his relationship with Abby into season 8, and we know that Jackson may need saving, and Alejandro and Paloma are still loose...

...but really, I can't imagine that we'ii spend all (or even much) of 8 dealing with that. It's kind of like the Lee stuff: a few episodes and it's over. This may be more of a season for Tony, I have a feeling.

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I agree with you that the Gibbs-centrism will likely cool down after the first few episodes - this season started out as being almost entirely about Ziva, and towards the end of the season, she was very much in the background. Of course, Gibbs will always be in the forefront of things, because he's Gibbs, but I sense this upcoming season won't be about him. I do think maybe Tony will have a decent-sized storyline, but something is telling me McGee is going to finally have his turn. He's appeared a lot more in general, and Vance trusts him a lot, maybe even more than he trusts Tony. That tells me that whatever happens, McGee is going to be playing a lot bigger role in the future. I sense him having to answer to two leaders, between Gibbs and Vance, but then again, if Vance really is aware of everything Gibbs is doing, that might not be necessary. It would be interesting, though.

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Yeah, I mean, it just seemed like he was getting more and more airtime, like it was leading up to something. And seeing how much Vance trusts him . . . I could see Vance wanting McGee to "do his bidding," whether it's in MTAC or undercover or whatnot, much like Jenny did with Tony and the whole Jeanne storyline. Who knows, though.

Of course, I hope I get some Ziva episodes again, too. It's been a little while since there was one (beginning of the season, really), so that would be nice. And I'd LOVE to see another Palmer episode and another Ducky one, too, because the Ducky episodes are always fantastic. :)

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I'd like to think that Tim is going to get some decent story lines. It seemed to me like they were setting him up for something this season with all the work he was doing in MTAC - but nothing came to fruition. Maybe I was just looking at the shows through rose colored glasses, but, then again, maybe something will be happening in season 8!

I don't know if I would speculate or theorize that it will happen, but I would like to see Abby mature a little more. She had her moments this season, but all-in-all... she's too old to be acting as she does.

I will theorize though that somehow Eli David is going to come back into play. His daughter just denounced her country of birth - I'm sure he's not happy about that!

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Good point about Eli. Though, really, it's like the whole Gibbs/Mexico/Shannon&Kelly thing - there's more to Ziva's past than her family. I'd like to know about other parts of her past. And I agree with the Abby thing. I do think that this thing with Gibbs will change her, though, and it likely will mature her more and make her more subdued. I don't know if that will mean she becomes more withdrawn from people, but . . . Man, I want to write an Abby story now. :P

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Gibbs gave his father a call, didn't he? So I wonder why Jackson is still in his shop in the first place?

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That's what I thought, Tamara. Meanwhile, I was yelling at the TV "Darn it, Jackson! I thought Gibbs told you to stay with someone else!! Don't you make me jump through that TV..." and so on. But Gibbs might have never told him how much danger he could be in, or Jackson didn't feel the need to shut down the store. I'm going for Jackson taking care of the situation by himself (But after, Faith, I don't know if he'd be able to.) ,that he'll get captured or, somehow, he gets away. I think it'll be over pretty quickly though.

I'm also going to agree on Eli. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy to give up easily, and let his daughter, his "Tip of the spear" get away. But learning about other parts of Ziva's past would be fantastic!

A Tim story line would also be amazing, his role throughout this season has been brought forward in such a way that I'd like to believe he's going to get some plot love next season. Especially the attention he's gotten from Vance in the finale. Looking at the past seasons though... :P

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Pam just set up the Anticipating 8 challenge. I actually kept up on the episodes this season, and I think that everyone's speculation about Tim's growing role in the team and in NCIS (because of Vance) are right. I would like to think that the season will start with a Mexico scene. Maybe Tony. If not, maybe in Pennsylvania, with Mr. Gibbs.

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I want to see them address the whole Abby knowing too much thing. Yes, it'll mature her character and I think it'll change the way she sees Gibbs - and, maybe, the way he sees her - but, as far as Alejandro knows, she still has the report and therefore she should/would still be a possible target. It's something I'm sure will be addressed in fic (and will be by myself, I'm sure *g*) but I'd love for TPTB to address it on the show, too.

I also want Eli David to come back - I was so sure he was going to be behind the whole thing in the final eps of season seven and was kinda disappointed when it all linked back to Gibbs. I wanted Eli to have hired Colonel Bell as revenge against Gibbs for taking his daughter kinda thing.

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It would have been a cool way to bring things full circle, but I feel like Eli David being behind everything is almost a bit of a cop out. I mean, he's not really a bad guy, as far as we know.

I did hope, tho, that it was related to whoever hired Saleem to kidnap Ziva. We never really found out who wanted to know about NCIS.

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I want them to address the whole team brushing the fine line between legal detective work and illegal detective work - only because they made it seem like a plot point, and I don't like to be left dangling. :ttthang:

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I'm really curious to see if the season starts out in Mexico or Pennsylvania...

Or Washington, with Gibbs getting a rather nasty phone call.

Also curious to see if we get any more Tony/Franks interaction since they have kind of an .... interesting? .... history.

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I was looking around at another site and someone mentioned something brilliant (which I went back to doublecheck)... in the finale scene of Rule Fifty-One Jackson is adding candy from a rectangular pan to a candy jar ...

Is that the candy from Mexico? The dimensions of the pan look about the same as the package. If so - then I theorize that either Gibbs is with his Dad to protect him or he sent someone down to protect him.

Does anyone know what Alejandro said when he named the type of candy? I'm not that familiar with Mexican candy...

EDIT: Ah ha! Remembered a moment earlier in the show about Gibbs eating something Alejandro offered him... and it looks a heck of a lot like those candies Jackson has!

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My guess is that it's penuche, a fudge that is popular in Mexico.

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If the bad guys are after Gibbs' dad now, and we know that Jackson, has killed someone before, whats the betting on Gibbs just getting to his dad's as the bad guy hits the deck?

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Don't think Tony will let Mike Franks kill Alejandro -- so perhaps a Mexican Standoff?

I'll trade father for brother???

Perhaps the one time Gibbs will negotiate.

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The candy thing is very interesting. Especially because Gibbs (in Mexico) says he's had it before and then it shows up at the end with Jackson. Seems kind of out of order. As for next season, I'm guessing Gibbs is already in Pennsylvania and the real drama will occur in Mexico with Tony/Franks/Alejandro.

One random thing that's been bugging me: Why does Gibbs tell Tony to use his name at Customs if he has an issue? They're both federal agents, and it's not like you can just give a name anymore without documentation to back it up. That struck me as odd and random.

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I thought Gibbs said he'd never had the candy before. On TWOP, there was a very long discussion about that candy. The conclusion drawn by a few of the members was that the writers aren't clever enough to come up with something like that, and that based on comparing pictures (see, we're not the most anal people in the fandom ;D ) of both candies, they aren't exactly the same. Of course, the drug lady was wearing the exact same clothes when she came into the store as she was wearing in Mexico. Either she has a very limited wardrobe or she was moving really fast, even though she said she'd kill his father last.

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Penuche is found in the US as well as in Mexico. In fact, the Mexican name is different -- penoco or something. As I noted in my other post, there are variations in recipes and the coloring can differ from light to dark. It's fudge--there's no standard recipe.

But I really do believe that that's what it is. Google "penuche" for more information. The writers are out in southern California, where penuche is probably pretty common. I wouldn't be surprised if they thought it's an easy and logical thing to write into a story.

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Write it that Papa Gibbs is stocking the same candy? Sure. I just wonder, based on their lack of concern about canon information in props, whether or not they were intentionally using the same candy...or if they just did it because it was easier.

It would be kind of cool if that was to show that Gibbs was already there and ready...but I just question that it will happen that way.

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I didn't notice that about the candy until I rewatched Rule 51 yesterday- but it certainly does look like the same stuff.

Now I have a slightly amusing mental image of Gibbs (and perhaps the rest of the team) jumping out from behind shelves and such, aiming at Paloma, and that being the scene right before the credits roll. In 2 minutes or less, we can be done with the Mexico storyline once and for all! :P

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Oh, I wish, Sam. I really wish it could be over so quickly.

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Now I have a slightly amusing mental image of Gibbs (and perhaps the rest of the team) jumping out from behind shelves and such, aiming at Paloma, and that being the scene right before the credits roll. In 2 minutes or less, we can be done with the Mexico storyline once and for all! :P


If that happened I'd feel ripped off, even though it would be amusing. SURPRISE!!! ROFL. I don't want this to drag on forever, but an actual ending would be great.

As to the fudge - it's been popular up here for generations, but I don't know it as that name... to us it's only brown sugar fudge. My great-grandmother made it, I make it, etc. And Gramma never went to Southern California until maybe the 1980's after she was widowed and she decided to travel to clear her head. Those were the times when no one could find her, lol. We would have about given anything for cell technology (affordable cell technology) at that time >.<

Huh? Oh right, right... as to the point of that... it is reasonable to me that Jackson would be stocking it in Stillwater, and it be popular in Southern California if it was up here before the internet and good highways as Gramma made it while horse and buggy was still the more economical way to go...

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Okay, now I got an even more ridiculous image in my head.

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There are a lot of things I'd like to see, but honestly, I'm getting so tired of the Mexico story that I don't know if I'd even care if they went the ridiculous route of having everything done by the opening credits. Besides which, I fully expect that we'll get a rousing episode full of rescuing Papa Gibbs. Likely with Gibbs going off on his own to do it. Again. I would love if they didn't do that and if we got some fallout from everything Gibbs has done and not done, but I'm not even holding my breath for that.

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Just had a thought loosely related to all this. Is Gibbs still technically "benched" as Vance said he was in Rule 51? If so then any way he goes to save his father will have to be "vigilante-style." Eitehr that or he trusts Tony+Tim+Ziva to do it legally.

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Let's see...Jackson had the gun drawn on him in May.

The new season starts in September.

We don't really expect Paloma to hold him like that for 4 months, do we? :lol2:

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Now this is me and just me but..................what if this fudgy thing was majiuana fudge, there is a recipe on the net..........what if they are dealing in dodgy sweets

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Let's see...Jackson had the gun drawn on him in May.

The new season starts in September.

We don't really expect Paloma to hold him like that for 4 months, do we?


:bwah: Oh, yeah. ;D I would think that her arms would get so tired of holding the gun.

I could imagine Mr. Gibbs sighing behind the counter, waiting for the director's cue for the season 8 premiere. :P ;D

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Maybe over the four months the two will bond. Gibbs could have a new stepmom come September. ;)

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That'll make one heck of a family reunion. :P ;D

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It would be cracked, but the pen-ultimate revenge on Gibbs without resorting to death at all...

"Son! You have to meet my new fiancee! She's amazing... and sexy... and did I mention she makes great fudge AND can handle a gun!"

"Huh? Who... YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING.... DAD... she... she.... her..." *for once Gibbs is at a loss for words*

"Ah, Agent Gibbs... or shall I now call you "son"... I thought this would be far more... torturous... for you."

*Gibbs faints*

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"Oh nothing dear, it was all too much for him that you got me... now c'mere..."

Gibbs wakes up and faints again.

Yup, cracked. See, I can do crack-fic too, lol...


On a serious note though, I sincerely hope they deal more with Eli and Ziva. That begs for a finisher befitting that background. And eventually, I'd like them to address what the heck is really going on with Vance.

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Just had a thought loosely related to all this. Is Gibbs still technically "benched" as Vance said he was in Rule 51? If so then any way he goes to save his father will have to be "vigilante-style." Eitehr that or he trusts Tony+Tim+Ziva to do it legally.



If you haven't read my story (Sometimes You're Wrong, But Trust Your Gut) I figured out just how Gibbs would take care of it! I couldn't sleep without some closure ;D

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What if Jackson is taken hostage, in time jump. Let's say in september, when Paloma has already met some people or something, but let's say there is a time jump. Then she calls Gibbs, of course he wents to save his dad, and he goes alone like usual. Then Abby is trying to reach Gibbs, he doesn't answer, she tracks the phone and finds that he is going home. Then Abby tells it to McGee and Ziva, and then they talk to Vance. Then Vance sends McGee and Ziva to get Gibbs back, Abby stays in headquarters with Vance, but she like goes home and some guys are there, sent by Alejandro. But Alejandro is dead, Mike goes one-on-one fight against Alejandro and Tony is somewhere near hidden ( Mike doesn't know ) and then Tony pulls the trigger and that's it. Then Mike and Tony go to USA and find Abby first, somehow Mike got the information that something is going on. Then Abby, Tony and Mike are going to save Gibbs and his father. Before the go to Gibbs's place and Tony takes the rifle, so they are on their way. And Paloma is killed by a sniper shot, when she is pointing the gun to Jackson. When Mike goes in he founds Ziva and Tim also there tied up... And then the Mexico is over and after that Eli David pays a vistit to NCIS, just after the drama and then comes out that he really is connected with it.... This is in my head :D .

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Well, I think I'm going to go overkill with this theory of how the premiere will go. As stated in S8 News topic, the team would be in danger, and we'll find out just what happend to Mr. Gibbs. I really believe that Paloma would take him and use that to gain power over Gibbs. Gibbs will try to get his dad back, but he'll fail, and Paloma would be angry so as to take it to the next step, which would be attacking his team.

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Will you walk into my parlour?" said the Spider to the Fly,
'Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy;
The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,
And I've a many curious things to shew when you are there."
Oh no, no," said the little Fly, "to ask me is in vain,
For who goes up your winding stair can ne'er come down again."


Mike Franks would come to help (and hopefully, Director Vance would get in the boat as well ;D ), blah blah blah. Then they'd make Paloma think that she won and Gibbs can't do anything but to surrender to what she wants. But that's not what's going to happen, of course.

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Then he came out to his door again, and merrily did sing,
"Come hither, hither, pretty Fly, with the pearl and silver wing;
Your robes are green and purple -- there's a crest upon your head;
Your eyes are like the diamond bright, but mine are dull as lead!"

Alas, alas! how very soon this silly little Fly,
Hearing his wily, flattering words, came slowly flitting by;
With buzzing wings she hung aloft, then near and nearer drew,
Thinking only of her brilliant eyes, and green and purple hue --
Thinking only of her crested head -- poor foolish thing! At last,
Up jumped the cunning Spider, and fiercely held her fast.
He dragged her up his winding stair, into his dismal den,
Within his little parlour -- but she ne'er came out again!


Well, there goes my extensive theory. :P Though I find it a bit ironic that the Spider was a male (which just signifies it would be Gibbs) and the Fly was a female (Paloma).

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This bugs me.

Following NCIS:LA tonight, CBS ran a little promo for the start of its new season, 2-hour season premiere, blah blah blah.

Following the parent NCIS show tonight, CBS instead promoted the new season of The Mentalist and one of the CSIs.

Are we fans chopped liver? Talking about taking your audience for granted.

I'm very annoyed. >:-(

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This bugs me.

Following NCIS:LA tonight, CBS ran a little promo for the start of its new season, 2-hour season premiere, blah blah blah.

Following the parent NCIS show tonight, CBS instead promoted the new season of The Mentalist and one of the CSIs.

Are we fans chopped liver? Talking about taking your audience for granted.

I'm very annoyed. >:-(


Agreed, Pam. It bugs me, too.

And every time they promote the Thursday night lineup (CSI and The Mentalist) with the tag line, "The best night of television on television," I want to kick the TV. Because it's not. They aren't the best shows--both have fallen off quite a bit from their best work--nor are they the audience's favorite shows, which are on (ahem) Tuesday night.

So I think running that Thursday night promo after NCIS is an insult.

And it does not make me want to tune in on Thursday. No, sir.

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Me either, Nat. It's the same sort of fibbing that leads networks to proclaim something as "The new hit show!" -- before it even airs!

(I've never cared for The Mentalist, anyway.)

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It's not an insult [to the powers of CBS] it is marketing....

Everyone knows NCIS is THE show therefore,

promote what needs help to the largest audience....the one that watches NCIS.

The problem becomes, once the best show is taken for granted so to speak, will it disappear from their regardless how well written or watched....

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Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking - they don't need to show NCIS commercials during NCIS, because they know the audience will tune in the next week. Therefore, show a commercial for something related they think people might like to watch instead. LA is still new, which is probably why they're promoting that - that and the premiere is 2 hours, so they want to make sure people know ahead of time.

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Since we were doing a whole lot of speculating over at the Season 8 News thread, thought I should post some of the points over here. Hope no one minds! :blush:

Some spoilers from Gary Glasberg's talk:

Ziva "established a relationship with someone while visiting Miami"

Ralph Waite will return to the show at some point

For the time being the Reynosa case is closed

They will revisit the mystery of Gibbs' boats

"Tony and his dad will be reuniting and their relationship will be tested in a way we never expected"

"My goal with the season premiere is to reset the story. And get everyone back up to speed with the characters"

There is no connection between the 'father stories'

There will be episodes about each and every one of the characters

"There is someone is Eli's past that connects to NCIS and you will have to wait to find out."

"Sean is absolutely fine. He has made some adjustments to his diet. "

"As mentioned in this episode Hart is out of the country and at the moment won't be returning to the show but never say never"

He hopes the show will be on for many years to come


I think the someone in Eli's past has something to do with Leon. They seem to have a connection with each other, and the text seemed to hint at that.

And I'm very excited for the episode with Tony's father! Allthough I wouldn't exactly call it a strong relationship between the two of them, but I am wondering how it's going to be tested. I just hope it's going to be something serious. I remember from last season, where they said Tim and Tony were going to have a big fight, and it turned out to be a 'you-ignored-me-so-I'm-gonna-hang-with-this-guy-now' kind of fight. :brood: So very high-school.

What if Senior is going to keep up his flirting with Ziva, and THAT's going to turn out to be the tension? Please not? :pray:

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I'm actually not very happy about Tony's dad coming back. I don't think it's necessary since they got to a place where Tony had a realistic view of him. Why spoil that with what is sure to stir the pot? I'm not saying it can't be done well, but I'm guessing they're going to find some way to make Tony's dad a part of an investigation again...and it's already been done.

I hope that Tim's episode is a serious one. At least he hasn't promised an "arc" like SB did last year. Some arc: one episode. :P

I'm very glad that there's no link between the various father stories because that would strain credibility beyond all belief.

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I think there are lots of things they haven't dealed with. Tony now knows more about his dad, but they haven't actually talked to each other about it, or dealed with it in any way. And I'm still wondering why we hadn't heard from Senior when Tony had the plague. If he didn't know, how would now knowing it effect him? That's probably not going to be dealt with either, but it's an interesting thought for me.

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I'm very glad that there's no link between the various father stories because that would strain credibility beyond all belief.


Ah, Teri. You've now appealed to my crack!fic side. And I have a splat. ;D

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Oh, no! =D

Janet, if I had any hope that they would be able to address those issues in a good way, I might not mind the return of Tony's father...but I just don't believe that the writers can handle it. I have very little faith in them. ...but then, I didn't care much for his first appearance either and I know a lot of people loved it.

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I had a dream last night about this season. I don't remember the specifics, I just remember being excited because it turned out that the season was a total Tim arc and the season finale was all about him :flirtysmile:

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