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WHEN GIBBS IS GIVEN THE FINAL WORD ON ZIVA'S FUTURE WITH NCIS, HE FINDS THE DECISION HARDER TO MAKE THAN HE EVER EXPECTED, ON "NCIS," TUESDAY, SEPT. 29

"Reunion" - The team discovers the bizarre death of a Marine and his two friends may be linked to their past, but its Gibbs who, yet again, ends up taking a trip down memory lane, on NCIS, Tuesday, Sept. 29 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

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With all the implausibility floating around, maybe we'll find out this was all just some weird damn dream.

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Lia, I'm not a scientist, so I have no way of knowing how much nonsense I'm being asked to swallow here. But I assume the dead-eyeball-still-working is a real stretch.

I had a lot of trouble buying the "Power Down" premise, where one eyeball would open any lock, since that would defeat the purpose of having retinal scanners in the first place. And wouldn't those databases be constantly updated, so the fact that Stan Burley once had MTAC clearance, more than eight years ago, be null and void by now, since he's been out of DC all that time? (I would be happy to remove Pam's beloved Stan from the list of possible dead guys.) If not, isn't that a major security breach? Shouldn't our guys be smarter than that?

Of course last season I had to swallow all of the inconsistencies regarding the Hernandez evidence, which apparently they wanted me to accept as the truth because that's the way they wanted to write it . . . and there were just as many problems with season 6. If I must suspend my disbelief, I will. But I was hoping for stronger writing.

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Do we know any of the MTAC technicians? We've seen a few, but would that count as "knowing" them? They would definitely have to have access to MTAC, otherwise they'd have to call Vance to let them in again after every bathroom break...

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Do we know any of the MTAC technicians? We've seen a few, but would that count as "knowing" them? They would definitely have to have access to MTAC, otherwise they'd have to call Vance to let them in again after every bathroom break...


I would be happy with that as a solution, because it would be a dead body I wasn't really attached to, but I don't think it would "count" in the general sense of NCIS hype. I think what they mean is that the dead guy is a name we will recognize, and none of the MTAC technicians really have them. I remember Gibbs once saying, "I'm being punished, Sandy," to a female tech--I think it was in "Stakeout," when the radar was stolen from the storage unit--but that's all I remember. There was also a tech who helped McGee in "Chained" when he had to tell the Undersecretary of State to "stick it," but he was an older man who wouldn't fit the qualifications, and I don't think he was named.

If the P2P killer did have an MTAC tech's eyeball, very recently obtained, that would be awfully scary, because of the access it implies. But I think it's more likely to be a character we haven't seen in a while--like the way they used Lara Macy as a handy corpse in last year's finale.

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Keating? Though I'm not sure he'd have the necessary clearance.

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Of course EJ even wanting to test it is a bit hinky. Could she have altered things somehow? Or does she already suspect who it is? If she does it would have to be someone she somehow knew or suspected.

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There was also a tech who helped McGee in "Chained" when he had to tell the Undersecretary of State to "stick it," but he was an older man who wouldn't fit the qualifications, and I don't think he was named.


No, he wasn't named, unfortunately--at least I believe he wasn't. I was watching his scenes relatively attentively, because that was the (late) actor Don S. Davis, who also played General Hammond on SG-1.

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Scully's dad! ;D

Sorry. :P I've watched a few episodes of X-Files. And by a few, I mean all of them. Multiple times. :P

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Of course EJ even wanting to test it is a bit hinky. Could she have altered things somehow? Or does she already suspect who it is? If she does it would have to be someone she somehow knew or suspected.


I think it's just the writers making a contrived plot twist for the sake of having an "oh snap" moment, like with the eye ball ice cube.

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Many NCIS agents and non-agents are ex-military, and the military has had their members' DNA on file for years.

I don't know if the writers considered that, in creating the eyeball business.

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After re-watching Dead Reckoning last night, I became even more convinced that EJ is, if not guilty, than up to something. I didn't like the fact that she was trying to drive a wedge between Tony and Gibbs. >:-(

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And something tells me that Tony knows something is going on because he keeps warning EJ that she should be afraid of Gibbs. It makes me think that Vance set the whole thing up and clued Tony in to what was going on, but not Gibbs. Something like that, anyway. It makes more sense to me than having Tony suddenly choosing EJ over Gibbs.

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True. Tony is unlikely to give up the trust he's had in Gibbs for 10 years for a woman he's met only recently.

How much time has elapsed since EJ showed up, do you think? Two weeks before Dead Reckoning? After all, it shouldn't have taken her team members too long to get to DC.

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Dead Reckoning is from season 6. You're thinking Dead Reflection. :)

But she showed up in One Last Stand, which aired the beginning of March. So I'd say she's been there for a month at most.

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LOL, it's okay, I had to go back to my DVRed episodes to find the name of the newer episode. :P I just knew Dead Reckoning because it's the one where Ziva shoots the two guys at once. ;D

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Having Vance ask Tony to watch EJ show a long overdue confidence from the director in the senior field agent. It also put a whole different spin/meaning/angle on the 'talk' Tony had with Gibbs.

I like that idea and can't wait to see what it all comes down to.

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Oh, I'm full of questions following the release today of the press releases for the final two episodes of the season (read them in the CBS press release thread).

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Why are there two SECNAVs listed in the final ep (Pyramid)? I would think there can only be one serving at a time. Is one retired, or does one die? (Phillip Davenport is the one we've seen before.)

If the P2P killer really is a man, my money now is on Gary Stu Cade.

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If the P2P killer really is a man, my money now is on Gary Stu Cade.


Which would mean that EJ has spent months searching for a killer . . . who was sitting next to her the whole time.

Ouch.

That won't look good on her resume. :evillaugh:

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If the P2P killer really is a man, my money now is on Gary Stu Cade.


Or they could be trying to throw us off ;D

I actually thought about this after I read the summaries. Abby does tend to get friendly with guys (other than Tim) that turn out to be psychos.

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If the P2P killer really is a man, my money now is on Gary Stu Cade.


Or they could be trying to throw us off ;D

I actually thought about this after I read the summaries. Abby does tend to get friendly with guys (other than Tim) that turn out to be psychos.


Yikes. You're right.

Now I'm taking this line of thought more seriously. All that discussion about how EJ couldn't be the killer because she was too petite to lug a body around all by herself? That wouldn't apply to Cade, who could lug one on each shoulder.

And about the only way TPTB could get me to buy the super-high IQ is if Cade is using it to outwit the authorities. If that's meant to be part of the challenge of catching the killer, rather than just a way to make McGee insecure and Abby intrigued, then okay.

If he's the killer, I hope he's not required to "act" very much (no big confession scene). Unless that wooden acting style is also part of his artifice, and we'll see a different Cade to contrast with it, later.

Cade being the killer might fit in with the Alfred-Hitchcock clues . . . maybe he's a really big Norman Bates. :inquisitive:

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New theory:

The final ep of the season is called "Pyramid". Maybe this refers to the two SECNAVs who appear in the show, and that rot starts at the top? :P

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The final ep of the season is called "Pyramid". Maybe this refers to the two SECNAVs who appear in the show, and that rot starts at the top? :P


Hmmm . . . .

I could be rather easily convinced that the current SECNAV is hinky--say, in the way that Riley McAllister turned out to be hinky. Using his people as bait or cannon fodder and misleading them about it. Having a private political agenda to advance. That kind of thing.

I could also see him (since he's rather abrasive) as having pissed off the wrong people, and getting bounced from his job by someone younger and ruthless who managed to outflank him politically. In that scenario, the guy coming into the job would be the really bad guy.

I don't think either one will turn out to be the P2P killer himself. But you never know. I guess they must travel a lot . . . . :evillaugh:

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I think it would be unlikely that anyone that high up could be a serial killer--their job would just keep them too busy to go to the lengths it would take to not get caught (until now). But, stranger things have happened in life.

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I had a thought.... maybe the second SecNav is an imposter. Claims he's taken over after a sudden retirement. I don't know, my mind's in a weird place today, lol.

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I don't know how that could happen because SECNAV is an appointed position. He's a member of the President's Cabinet and has to be approved by Senate majority. I don't think anyone could get away with that. :)

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Like I said, not sure what my mind is doing today. Trying to do a Hangman story for Lia. Another new venture for me, lol. ;D

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I think a likely explanation of the second SECNAV is a flashback.

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Maybe there'll be some sort of parallel universe (caused by the all-purpose "subspace anomaly") where the only thing different is...the SECNAV! ;D

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Either that, or they've watched too much Star Trek. :)

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If the P2P killer really is a man, my money now is on Gary Stu Cade.


Which would mean that EJ has spent months searching for a killer . . . who was sitting next to her the whole time.

Ouch.

That won't look good on her resume. :evillaugh:


Well, she won't need it if she's dead. :evillaugh:

Actually, if Cade is the killer, I could see him taking out EJ if she gets too close to the truth - and by extension, putting Tony and the rest of Team Gibbs in danger.

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After reading the press releases for Swan Song and Pyramid, I have to say I'm surprised at just how many people are going to be running around in those eps. In addition our extended team and EJ's team we've got Mike Franks and Trent Kort and Ray. That's 8 + 3 + 3... that's 14 people, and I'm not even counting the two SecNavs. With an episode running about 42 minutes that would mean an average of 3 minutes per character. I'm not saying they can't pull it off, but are that many characters really necessary? And what does the P2P Killer have to do with Mike Franks, anyway?

Speaking of Mike Franks, I'm really worried about him. He's already lost a finger (his trigger finger!), and now Leyla is showing up in the final episode? That seems to spell bad things for Mike. I really hope he doesn't get killed, it's always so much fun when he shows up.

On a somewhat happier note, it's kind of nice to know that the original owner of the eyeball isn't necessarily dead. Of course, that would mean that the P2P Killer changed his MO, since up to now (if I remember correctly), the ice cubes always showed up in connection to his murder victims. If he didn't kill the guy, why send his eye to NCIS? Especially if it's such a valuable eye, being able to open up MTAC and such. Has he already used it for some nefarious deed? Did he take the other one, too, and keep that as a "key"?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:50 pm 
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no please don't let Mike go, we need him to keep Gibbs in line.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:44 pm 
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Well, someone's got to die. Two someones, actually, IIRC, not counting bad guys. At least one of the deaths is supposed to be terribly shocking. So if everyone in the core cast has signed contracts for next season, who does that leave? Sure, someone from EJ's team could die, but even if her entire team dies, taking Ray with them for good measure - and hey, why not a SecNav, too? We seem to have a spare one, after all - I doubt it would be considered terribly shocking. (Unless of course you count shock at what then must have been terrible writing.) That leaves Mike and Trent Kort, and personally I really wouldn't care if Kort was killed.
So if it's not the core cast, and not (or not only) the characters no one particularly cares about, that leaves Mike. *sniff*

That brings me to a question, though: Who exactly is a member of the "core cast"? I'm sure Gibbs, Tony, Ziva and McGee are in there, and Vance is not, but what about Abby and Ducky? (Google is being surprisingly unhelpful in finding specific information about their contracts.)
If Abby or Ducky died - that would certainly be shocking! It would probably mean that the P2P Killer is specifically targeting NCIS, though, since both of them are unlikely cross paths with him, otherwise. And I hate to say it, but in rewatching recent episodes I noticed Palmer getting more and more competent, which is great, of course, but makes me fear he might be shaping up to replace Ducky.

As for Vance, I think he must be leaving. There's just been too much hinting at his issues ever since Enemies Foreign and Domestic. I'm not scared for his life, however, since having two directors in a row killed would be a bit much, even for NCIS. I wonder who might replace him, though?

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I believe the "core cast" consists of the people who you see in the opening credits, or who are defined as the "regular" cast (Gibbs, Tony, Ziva, Abby, Tim, Vance, and Ducky). Jimmy is not in the "regular" cast.

I honestly expect all 8 of them to be back next year. This just smells like hype to me.

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So Ducky and Abby are probably safe, but they might kill Jimmy? Well, I doubt they'll kill him off, they'd never give Palmer that much attention. I hope.
Last I checked, though, Rocky Carroll hadn't renewed his contract, though - does that mean when people say the "core cast" have all renewed their contracts they forget about him? Or does being credited with a "with" in front of his name take him out of the core cast? If that were the case, Ducky would still be in danger.

I really hope you're right, Pam, and it's only hype, but I'm worried.

So, on a lighter note to cheer me up, what do you think Gibbs is building in his basement? And does it have something to do with the fact that his house is mysteriously neater? That has been bugging me since it was first mentioned in Season 7!

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I wouldn't mind Franks being one of the victims. I've never liked the character. At all. I think he brings out the worst in Gibbs. ...but I also don't want another Gibbs-centered angst fest for the finale...which it pretty much would be if Franks was killed.

I'd love a Tim-centered finale, but we all know that will never happen. Since that can't happen, I would really like them to simply focus on the team, rather than any one (or two) of them.

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I don't know how they're going to be able to focus on anybody, with all those people in the cast for the final two episodes. Even if some of them (team EJ, for instance) are mostly mute spear-carriers who stand around and listen to bullpen stuff, or the various SECNAVs have only one scene, that's still a lot of clutter.

The actress who plays EJ tweeted about doing a lot of action in the final episodes, so maybe there's a lot of running around, shooting, and finding bodies.

I can't see any reason they would have Mike Franks (and his daughter-in-law) in the last two episodes unless they are killing Mike off for the shock value. It's a way to get a recognizable loss without killing any of the core cast who have to, you know, solve crimes on a weekly basis. I have always liked Mike as a character, despite having severe distaste for some of his methods and attitudes, so I will be sorry to see him go . . . but I don't see who else they have available to kill.

I think it will probably be Mike and one of EJ's team, and of those, my guess would be Gary Stu (because he dated Abby, and hooking up with a regular is usually a ticket out the door, one way or another) . . . or EJ herself. Killing EJ would be more shocking (and would give Tony angst), but she has more value than Gary Stu for future developments.

I suspect the "shocking! death" maybe have been overhyped by TPTB, just as the past two finales have been seriously overhyped in what they promised. (Still looking for Gibbs's earthshaking decision from last year. Huh?) That comparison to Kate's death in "Twilight," for instance. Unless they're killing McGee or Ducky, it can't possibly be as shocking as killing Kate.

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I just want what Teri wants...since I cannot get my Tim centered finale can we at least get one that just includes the whole team. I wonder how much time Tim or even Abby will get in the finale with all those extra people!

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I'm guessing that, as per usual, Tim, Abby and Ducky will be relegated to the background with a couple of lines. Tim will probably be in quite a few scenes but not doing much.

That's my guess, and I'd love to be wrong. :)

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I think the "shocking" victim will be Franks. All this talk about partners -- all this revisiting history-- makes me thing that it will be him. Plus, it would be devastating for Gibbs to lose the one person HE can lean on. (I don't care who gets killed, as long as its not McGee or Jimmy. You know they'd never kill off Gibbs, Tony, Ziva or Abby. I would be okay with it being Ducky, simply because of the age of DMC. He could work fewer hours and totally bug Gibbs as a ghost. Just add Fornell for wacky domestic hijinks.)

I'm also leaning toward a female killer because the rope around the ankles could be used to move bodies if you lack the physical mass. There was no indication of dragging, which is the only reason I'm not wildly pointing at EJ and screaming "She's the killer!"

Of course, I never get this sort of thing right. I thought that the hands (and feet) of the copy-cat killer in tonight's episode were those of a woman, so it shows you what I know.

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I thought it was a woman, too, based on the shoes.

You may be right about it being Franks. We do know that Franks will turn up in the next two episodes. I'd hate to lose him, though.

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AAAAAhhhhh, I loved that episode, but now can't wait to find out who is really behind all this. Maybe it's EJ's whole team and she's the mastermind. Cade with the strength to move the bodies, Gayne having the computer savvy to crack into Abby's email and EJ the smarts to clean up the bodies.

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Certainly possible!

That bit about Abby's email bothers me. That has to be someone who somewhat knows the people involved (Ducky and Abby), yet not well enough to know that Abby wouldn't likely use email for such a communication. And...the person doesn't have to be onsite to do the hacking.

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I don't give this a lot of faith, but examiner.com raises suspicions about Jimmy's role in the P2P matter, since he made a goof in a report and wasn't seen at all last night.

(I think it was just a matter of BD not being in last's night's show.)

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Well that would be a twist all right!?!?

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:lol2: Sorry, it's just that when my mom and I were speculating last night, I jokingly brought up the possibility of Jimmy being the P2P killer and she made some comment about his "Black Lung" Nickname ;D

I doubt he's the killer, though. If he is I will be quite shocked.

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