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"Reunion" - The team discovers the bizarre death of a Marine and his two friends may be linked to their past, but its Gibbs who, yet again, ends up taking a trip down memory lane, on NCIS, Tuesday, Sept. 29 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

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That bit about Abby's email bothers me. That has to be someone who somewhat knows the people involved (Ducky and Abby), yet not well enough to know that Abby wouldn't likely use email for such a communication. And...the person doesn't have to be onsite to do the hacking.


Or better/worse yet, they did know Abby wouldn't do that, because they wanted the team to know "Hey, this isn't my handiwork, but I'm still out here waiting for you. And I'm watching."

It goes with the "flick the dog in the nose" attitude Splashy showed with the eyece cube. That's how I see it, anyway.

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Right now, I'm thinking it's someone who either used to work, or still works with NCIS, and holds some kind of grudge against team Gibbs. I can't really think of anyone who seems most likely to do this.

Edit: Hello Captain Obvious! :rolleyes: Sorry guys, that was a stupid response. I'm sure everyone else has already said something of the same. Please ignore and carry on. ;)

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I wouldn't worry too much about the P2P killer being Jimmy Palmer.

Remember that behind the scenes segment featuring him that was shot during "Swan Song?" I bet that's meant to be a DVD extra for the Season 8 set. (It leaked out and CBS pulled it, but it seemed quite professionally produced.)

I don't think they'd do that segment, especially the tone of it, if Jimmy was going to turn out to be the secret Big Bad Villain of the Year.

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That's a good point, Nat.

And for the record, that Jimmy behind-the-scenes thing came from the CBS website, so it wasn't a leak. My guess is that they only wanted it available for a limited time so it could then be a DVD "extra".

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So let's see if this fits (for grins and giggles)

We have two SecNavs - one we've seen and know and one we don't.
We have two teams - one who has been brought in by who again? (Wasn't Vance angry lately and having to have 2 top teams?)
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A hidden serial killer with a fan club that copies his work,
and last but not least....a cast of thousands in the final two episodes, whether they have something to do with this or not.

Have I got this right?

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Guys, guys, it's like I said last night - Tony's the killer. Come on now. ;D

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Heh. That would be awesome ;D

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Thought of something that again points toward EJ. Tony's phone left at her place when he gets the voice message. Whether or not she accessed the message his caller ID showed his name. If she looked him up she could've targeted him to distract Tony or shake him up.

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But the P2P killer didn't kill Tony's partner, the old police chief did.

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But I thought that the P2P killer was the one who staged this whole murder. Maybe he needs to buy time.

Oh, and is it just me, or is it so convenient that the fake murder happened right when EJ and her group are in Hawaii? Is he following her? :-/

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Maybe he found out about his wanting to come clean to Tony from EJ. I don't know it just seems too coincidental that his phone was there when he missed that call. Maybe I have too much Gibbs in me in regards to coincidences, lol.

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I'm fairly sure the police chief staged this, in order to make it look like the murder was part of the set and so draw attention away from himself. The only involvement the P2P killer had in the whole case was to draw Ducky's attention to the fact that the knot was different. S/he could have been somewhere else to do that - like Hawaii, for instance. ;D

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I don't think it's a coincidence, Sue. She "happens" to be "out of town" when this occurs? :rolleyes: Like I said in the season 8 discussion thread, EJ's looking better and better for all this by the mintue. ;D Even if it was the police chief, that's too much of a coincidence. :P And I don't believe in them. ;) I didn't believe in them years before I started watching this show and I definitely don't now. :rolleyes:

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I'm fairly sure the police chief staged this, in order to make it look like the murder was part of the set and so draw attention away from himself. The only involvement the P2P killer had in the whole case was to draw Ducky's attention to the fact that the knot was different. S/he could have been somewhere else to do that - like Hawaii, for instance. ;D


I like the way you think. :evillaugh:

Although we don't know if the absence of EJ & the Wonder Team is a genuine clue implying guilt or just a red herring. If so, I appreciate them including red herrings, because they are so much fun to discuss. Last year's finale was practically devoid of red herrings and sadly predictable because of it--the only real surprise I got was Col. Bell's death on the beach.

I think it will be more satisfying if the P2P killer turns out to be someone we "know" already (i.e., not introduced in the finale eps), just because there's no particular shock in it being a stranger. It's harsh but not surprising to find out there are bad people in the world, and this one got close. It is much worse to find out that you know the devil, perhaps rather well.

I keep wondering about the work they took to establish the masks in "Dead Reflection." I keep thinking the masks will have to come back at us, and maybe the first person identified as the P2P killer may be another red herring . . . that is, not that person himself but someone else wearing a mask to implicate that person.

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Great now I'm envisioning Scooby Doo, lol. That would make for an interesting cliffy. Not letting the real killer be identified until the Fall!? Ack, that would be awful!!

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Does the P2K have to be singular?

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While I agree that having the P2Pk be a regular/re-accuring char. I personally think it is one of the EJ's team, he is doing all this to get her attention. Possibly one of the members of her own team, one that isn't particularly happy with her "hook-up" with Tony.

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Hmm, now that Leon has admitted that someone further up the food chain forced him to assign EJ to be Lead on the P2P case, I've been thinking about the SecNav being EJ's sponsor. That brings up even more items I've been thinking about.

1-- Now I know where the huge plasma just for the Sue-and-Two-Stus Team came from! (The question becomes, whose account was this money siphoned away from to fund this favoritism?)

2-- Is SecNav just admiring Lead Agent Barbie from afar, or is he well-versed at "sheet music" as well?

2a-- (Corollary to item "2") Does this mean that LAB was pimping herself out to Tony for some yet unknown purpose, using him...perhaps to buy instant credibility as a "real" agent?

3-- Just who was Gibbs threatening in the promo? I originally thought it was Vance, but was it? Could it have been EJ? CI-Ray? Or even SecNav himself?

4-- And whose funeral was that? If the P2P really has issues against ranks and advancement, wouldn't he have even more issues with LABarbie's ultimate boss and enabler (and his own ultimate boss as well), the SecNav himself? Maybe there are two funerals, one for Franks, and one for SecNav?

5-- Gee, I just realized that SecNav spelled in reverse is Vances. I wonder if that was intentional...

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Wow! Great thoughts, Ursula!

I can't stop chuckling about "Secnav" and "Vances". Hmmm!!! :lol2:

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Well, you were the author who came up with "Leon is 'Noel' Spelled backwards," so you must have been my inspiration. :D But, thanks! :blush:

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Hmm, now that Leon has admitted that someone further up the food chain forced him to assign EJ to be Lead on the P2P case, I've been thinking about the SecNav being EJ's sponsor. That brings up even more items I've been thinking about.

1-- Now I know where the huge plasma just for the Sue-and-Two-Stus Team came from! (The question becomes, whose account was this money siphoned away from to fund this favoritism?)


Aha! I think you've got it! If she's SecNav's Golden Girl, she can get whatever she wants or says she "needs." Plus the technician to install it, pronto.


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2-- Is SecNav just admiring Lead Agent Barbie from afar, or is he well-versed at "sheet music" as well?


Henry Kissinger said power was great aphrodisiac, when explaining how he could attract younger women when he looked a lot like SecNav. So it's possible.

I keep thinking about the scene when EJ was interrogating the first P2P suspect and saw nothing wrong with coming on to him in the interrogation room. Since that suspect eventually came to nothing, the only reason to include the pseudo-seduction was to show us EJ's modus operandi. You know it's not the first time she's worked that way.

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2a-- (Corollary to item "2") Does this mean that LAB was pimping herself out to Tony for some yet unknown purpose, using him...perhaps to buy instant credibility as a "real" agent?


Could be. In Michael Weatherly's interview, he indicated there was a scene left on the cutting room floor that showed more of a kindred-spirit thing between Tony and EJ before they first hooked up. But maybe the overall direction was to make her more ambiguous, or maybe they originally conceived of EJ as a more romantic figure (i.e., a tragic romance), but the political intrigue angle started to look like it had more potential.

This may be something we never really get an answer to, especially if EJ does not survive the finale.

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3-- Just who was Gibbs threatening in the promo? I originally thought it was Vance, but was it? Could it have been EJ? CI-Ray? Or even SecNav himself?


I assumed it was Vance, too . . . and I think the woman sitting in the chair is Vance's sometime assistant, who is in the cast list (along with everyone else who has appeared in the past couple of years, and then some). But someone other than Vance could be in the office--either one of the SecNavs, for example. Gibbs could be threatening any or all of them.

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Last night all I could say was WOW, didn't see all that coming. Franks wasn't a huge surprise after the spexulation here. I wonder how many of EJ's team, if any survive? I've read there's supposed to be an 'impressive' body count next week.

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Aha! I think you've got it! If she's SecNav's Golden Girl, she can get whatever she wants or says she "needs." Plus the technician to install it, pronto.

...and meanwhile, Abby's lab looks just about how it looked like back in Season 1. >:-(

Now I wonder just how she was ever in a position to become the Golden Girl. Did she seek him out in order to secure his patronage? Or did he catch a glance at her somewhere/somehow, liked what he saw, then acted upon it?

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I keep thinking about the scene when EJ was interrogating the first P2P suspect and saw nothing wrong with coming on to him in the interrogation room. Since that suspect eventually came to nothing, the only reason to include the pseudo-seduction was to show us EJ's modus operandi. You know it's not the first time she's worked that way.

I'm afraid I missed that scene (switching between a hockey game and NCIS :blush: ). But wow! What you say really rings true. I feel sorry for Tony, because the heartache (presumably) to come, not to mention the humiliation of being "played" by someone he was serious about, is going to burn.

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Really enjoyed all your ideas!

Thank you! :blush: I greatly appreciated your observations and insights. And this is one thing I love about this forum: how we can bounce ideas around. I feel like your shrewd insights into EJ have helped me understand her character much better and perceive her from a slightly different lens. I can't say I like her any better, though -- quite the opposite, actually. So...thank YOU as well.

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How about this:

We've seen both Tony and Gibbs worked up in the promos for next week. What if they (one or both of them) kill...someone who's behind this, and are are arrested for murder or manslaughter? That would split up the team. :P

Another thought: CIRay returns in this episode. I wonder if he was controlling Cobb?

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I like that connection of CIRay to Cobb, though I don't know if he was controlling him, or trying to find him because he knew it was him.
I have to think more if I can figure any other possibilities for the finale.

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My thoughts on Ziva crying in the elevator, and why it doesn't work for me:

The PTSD theory doesn't work for me, because the writers have been pretending Ziva has nothing to have PTSD about for two seasons. Now, if they'd actually had a storyline with Ziva suffering from PTSD from the first episode of S7 on, and it was an ongoing thing, I might have been able to buy the elevator scene. Might. But that storyline never happened, though it most certainly should have, so Ziva's break down in the elevator makes no sense.

The idea that's she's upset because she knows what Franks means to Gibbs is wrong. This is the woman who cried about five tears in the bathroom when her boss got blown up, and was mad at herself that she did, and when Jenny was murdered, I'm not sure Ziva's tears even fell. So, no. :brood:

The Ray thing makes a bit of sense to me, but not much, because Ziva has always reacted with anger when hurt, so I can't see the fact Ray might be involved changing that. :P

I wish the writers would make up their minds on what they want from the characters, and stop mangling them. I read someone's assessment of Ziva, and it was written way back in S5, and the line that captured a lot of what I think the writers are doing wrong was, "They're trying to make a dove out of a hawk." I think what the writers have conveniently forgotten is that Ziva's a trained killer. Mike dying shouldn't have affected her at all, never mind breaking down in the elevator. And with Tony! :-X Ziva's never broken down in front of Tony. Hit him, yelled at him, tried to kill him, yes, but if she's going to cry and take comfort from anyone, it's Gibbs. ( :gibbssmack: writers)

I'm not saying Ziva doesn't have a heart and emotions, because she does. :) But I hate the fact the writers are making her a weak, crying woman. >:-( That's not Ziva. I'd like the tough as nails Ziva from S3 and S4 back, but keep her emotional growth. That'll never happen, though. :rolleyes:

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I pretty much agree with everything you said, Valerie. I get that people change and I don't doubt that Ziva's time in America and on the team has changed her, but this was just out of nowhere. Like you said, if they had built it up little by little (and actually expanded upon the idea of her having PTSD or something) that would be one thing, but this was just like, "btw, Ziva cries now, k?" and that's that :P It's "Recoil" all over again.

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Thanks, Colleen. I'm glad I put it clearly. :)

Exactly. I understand that Ziva's changed, and that she loves her team mates, but Franks wasn't her team mate, she barely knew him. :huh: I can see her crying if it was one of the team, in private.

I think the writers made a big mistake not having a PTSD-from-Somalia storyline, because she wouldn't just bounce back, no one would. >:-( Since they choose to say "la la la, everything's fine, Ziva has no reason to be traumatized" the breakdown makes no sense, because of their own cannon! :banghead:

I never thought about how Recoil doesn't really work, because I love my Ziva angst, but you're right, Colleen, it doesn't make much sense. :thinking:

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"Recoil" only makes sense if Ziva was already suffering from a pretty bad case of PTSD.

That's actually quite plausible, given her profession, and shooting her brother, and all . . . except that they had never laid a proper foundation for it, except maybe in "Hiatus" when she cries in front of Gibbs. So it felt really out-of-character.

She certainly should have come back from Somalia with raging PTSD, and it wouldn't clear up in a year, even if she was seeing a shrink a couple of times a week. So she might well feel beaten down by this point, particularly if she really cared for Ray and now thinks he's implicated in these killings somehow (maybe only by concealing information that would have let NCIS close the case by now), and/or that he used her as a pipeline and now she is herself implicated, inadvertently, in the fact that the killer is still on the loose.

But her breakdown in the elevator stood out in "Swan Song" as a moment of bad writing--and the whole "group hug" didn't work for me, either, because the entry into it was so false. (It would have worked for me if Abby had been the one crying, because we know Abby takes these things really hard and we've seen her sobbing at NCIS before. She could have asked for the hug, no problem, and it would have seemed in character for Ziva to participate in it, awkwardly.) But the distortion of Ziva just rankled, an off-key note in an episode I otherwise admired quite a bit.

They could have written the elevator scene with a real Ziva and covered a lot of the same territory, but she should have been fighting her emotion and refusing to let it out. That's Ziva. If you wanted a Tiva moment, you could even have Tony chiding her, telling her she had to let it out a little or she would crack, and her refusing to admit it.

*sigh*

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Yeah, people have been going back and forth and I don't know which side to agree with. I feel like I'm going to offend someone by having my own opinion that differs from theirs. :P When I first saw Ziva in autopsy and she seemed to be getting upset, I said, "Okay, she's going to go off to the bathroom or somewhere private and cry," and I was FINE with that, because we've seen it before. She's not that open of a person emotionally. And I know circumstances change and you grow closer to people and open up, but for some people, crying is a very private act and they don't do it around other people, no matter how close they are. I can't relate, because I've always been a crier and while I try not to do it in public, sometimes it just happens. That could have been the case here, but I just don't buy it that much. Maybe it's because it was in front of Tony. Their relationship has gotten better over the past year, but I just don't see her letting her guard down quite that much in front of him. It's not me being angry that she ended up crying to Tony, it just seemed weird, that's all. :P

I know not everyone feels that way, but as a Ziva fan . . . I don't know. If I feel like something's OOC, my instincts are usually right. :P I felt the same way about Recoil. That episode bothers me a lot, because it did seem like they were making her weak. There's a way to make her vulnerable without weakening her character. Shalom is a perfect example of that. She shows that she has emotions and can be vulnerable when she calls Gibbs to "save" her, but she still kicks butt at episode's end - on her own.

But going back to this episode, I think the thing that bothered me most about that scene was Ziva saying she couldn't handle anymore. Before I realized she meant the deaths specifically, I thought she was just giving up and was about to leave NCIS or something. And THAT made me go WTF because after all Ziva's given up and gone through to be back at NCIS, leaving because Gibbs' former boss got killed would have been just ridiculous.

I just wish the writers would be consistent on writing her. There is a way to write a female character who is BALANCED. I know Ziva's a very complicated character and I spend a lot of time thinking about her reactions in different situations, and sometimes I wish the writers on the show would do the same, because sometimes it seems like they don't put enough thought into it. That's JMO.

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I want to address the issue of the "mole" theme that ended season 8, and apparently will lead into season 9.

Some people have said "No! Not again with a mole!" But consider this:

-NCIS has had 186 episodes, and
-There are only so many themes/plots in literature. Some say as few as 3; others say as many as 36, but it's certainly many less than 186.

So, NCIS is bound to retread certain types of themes. But they can certainly have 2 episodes or arcs about moles and have them be totally different stories.

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If this were the only recycled storyline they'd done this season, I'd be more amenable, Pam, but they've been recycling left, right and center...and so I don't have much confidence that they're going to do something amazing with it.

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I just don't see that much recycling going on. To me, all of the episodes have been significantly different.

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I loved Pyramid, but it left me expecting another episode. I didn't feel that anything was really resolved. They solved the P2P killing, but left us with a whole slew of unanswered questions and the most unfulfilling anti-climax in the history of the show as far as I'm concerned.

INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW
1. What did EJ take from Levin’s wrist?
It looked like a tracking device of some kind. (see below: S9: Whack-A-Mole, pt.2)

2. Why is Kort in Tel Aviv? Is he working, or running?
I've never gotten over how then Deputy Director David managed to hang onto his job after the Ari debacle. The man didn't just lose control of an operative, he never had control of him. Ari, his own son, was a mole for Israel's worst enemy; in any other organization, Eli David's career would have been over. Instead, he was promoted to Director of Mossad. Why? And, what happened to the previous Director?

Vance knew Eli David. Even if they hadn't seen each other since Amsterdam, they kept in touch. This was clear from the way they talked on the phone about Ziva after the bombing in the night club. Was one of those off-the-record Frankenstein hits done for Eli David?

3. Not a question left by the epi, but one that has occurred to me more than once.
Jimmy was scared spitless of Cobb, but when it counted, he kept his cool and looked to Gibbs for silent instruction. I wonder if he (& TPTB) has considered getting certified as a Field Agent? It would broaden his knowledge base the way Ducky's military service has aided him.

4. Why is Ray is keeping tabs on Kort?
I've always suspected it was Kort who was taking out the international arms dealers, not Le Grenouille. I believe Kort set LeG up for the fall, and was ready to take over the whole shebang -- until Jenny through a spanner into the works. I bet he’s been brokering information from every agency he's ever had contact with. What was he doing during Operation Lodestone?

5. Has the new Sec-Nav read that humongous CIA file on Vance?
When Vance got too familiar and then tried to pull rank on Tony, the Sec-Nav shut Vance down HARD. *snicker* Take that toothpick and shove it where the sun don't shine, Vance. There’s no more special favors for you. Tony's the Favored Son, now.



S9: WHACK-A-MOLE, pt.2

1. Tony seemed shaken up by the name(s) in that file.
*frown* I think he’d have been more enthusiastic if it haed been Kort.

2. The old Sec-Nav approved providing guns for hire for political favors.
Could he have persuaded himself it was okay to offer information for the same reason?

3. Surely it’s not EJ?
Nah, it can't be, not after the Jeanne fiasco. There's no way the Sec-Nav (TPTB) would ask Tony to do that again. I doubt Tony would go along with it, anyway.

4. OTOH, what if EJ is in on it with her Uncle, but not suspected?
Was she recruiting people to her team as mules for Uncle Sec-Nav? (See #1)

5. I keep coming back to Kort. I’m convinced he’s in on it, even if his name isn’t in the file. There are several possibilities:
- Kort is working for/with the old Sec-Nav.
- Kort blackmailed the old Sec-Nav into helping him, using the Guns for Hire program as leverage.
- Kort covered hs trail by making sure the old Sec-Nav would be implicated and not him. (The same thing I believe he did to LeG.)

6. I do NOT like the idea of Tony keeping secrets from Gibbs. Again. The last time it nearly tore them apart. *iz not a happy camper*


STROKING MY EGO: P2P Predictions that Proved Correct
1. Neither EJ nor Ray was the killer.

2. For a change, the killer did NOT turn out to be someone associated with NCIS. Cobbs and Operation Frankenstein dealt with Navy and CIA personnel, not NIS/NCIS.

3. The eyeball was Kort's.

4. The killer was someone "in or connected to" the CIA.

5. EJ did not stick around.
5a. TPTB stirred up the fan base with the possibility of:
- EJ joining Gibbs' team ("Come back anytime.")
- Tony going to Rota, ("Rota's yours if you want it.")


Is it time for a separate S9 forum, or maybe a separateSeason 9: Serious Speculation & Thoughtful Theorizing thread to make it easier to move once the forum is created?


ETA: Crossposted to S9 Speculation forum.

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I suppose it's not too early for a season 9 forum. Time will fly, after all. :)

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From Ausiello:

Question: I’m a few weeks late with this, but is there a reason Ziva didn’t attend Mike Franks’ funeral in the NCIS finale? I wondered because she seemed really upset in the previous episode. —Mimi.

Ausiello: “There are actually two answers to Mimi’s question,” responds exec producer Gary Glasberg. “The first has to do with Ziva’s training as a former Mossad operative, her life experiences, and how she personally deals with death. Not attending Mike Franks’ funeral was in no way a sign of disrespect. We’ve all seen Ziva grieve. I think it’s fair to say she would do so in her own private way as she saw fit. Ziva also knew she had limited time to say goodbye to Ray before he left on his mission. Franks would never hold that against her. In fact he’d probably insist she ‘stop hangin’ around a cemetery and follow her heart.’”

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Aww, I like that. :yes:

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Glasberg does put it nicely. I think he really "gets" all of the characters, on the level that we fans do.

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